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<blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 412328" data-attributes="member: 172">To succeed as Valmont, perhaps.To succeed as Grazzt, not necessarily.Valmont was only an example to illustrate that the CE mentality is not limited to ravening barbarians. (And yes, given his total disregard for social proprietry, I think Valmont is chaotic.)Lets take the situation someone put up about demonic armies clashing in the abyss, and rulers popping in to confront one another person to person.Grazzt, through his network of spies, catches wind of this. So he flees from his fortress and tells his plant in Orcus' camp to make sure Orcus knows this. Orcus takes this as his big chance and shows up, to find himself facing Demogorgon. So they get in a tussle, and their armies wear each other down, THEN Grazzt returns to mop up.Y'see, power is NOT limited to personal power, and double dealing and trickery still apply in a chaotic setting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Psion, post: 412328, member: 172"] To succeed as Valmont, perhaps. To succeed as Grazzt, not necessarily. Valmont was only an example to illustrate that the CE mentality is not limited to ravening barbarians. (And yes, given his total disregard for social proprietry, I think Valmont is chaotic.) Lets take the situation someone put up about demonic armies clashing in the abyss, and rulers popping in to confront one another person to person. Grazzt, through his network of spies, catches wind of this. So he flees from his fortress and tells his plant in Orcus' camp to make sure Orcus knows this. Orcus takes this as his big chance and shows up, to find himself facing Demogorgon. So they get in a tussle, and their armies wear each other down, THEN Grazzt returns to mop up. Y'see, power is NOT limited to personal power, and double dealing and trickery still apply in a chaotic setting. [/QUOTE]

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