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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 412395" data-attributes="member: 4937">"I can see Graz'zt being up to 2 CR below Demogorgon - that means he's only about 1/2 as powerful - but not 1/16 or 1/32..."Oh, now I see the problem.CR +2 DOES NOT DOES NOT DOES NOT mean twice as powerful except within a very limited range.There is a very simple reason for this.A 3rd level character (facing CR 3 challenges on average) is about three times as powerful as his 1st level counterpart.  However, a 20th level character IS NOT twice or even three times as powerful as his 18th level counterpart.  As CR increases, the relative difference between any two creatures with a difference in CR of 2 decreases.  By the time we are over CR 20, the relative strength of any two creatures with different CR is roughly proportional to thier CR.This is true whether WotC admits it officially or not.So, if Grazz't's CR is say 24 and Demogorgon's CR is say 29, then Grazz't is only slightly less than 83% as powerful as Demogorgon.  Let's call it 75%.A CR 24 challenge is much more of a challenge for a 29th level character than a CR 1 challenge is for a 6th level character.  That's the facts folks.  An 11th level character is probably a match for 64 Gnolls, but a 28th level character is probably not a match for 64 18th level characters.</blockquote>