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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 412464" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi Psion mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Nope. Doesn't wash. Abyssal politics is all about turf. Abyssal factions are akin to street gangs. Whereas factions in the Hells are akin to organised crime syndicates.In a street gang the leader is always the toughest. Members will challenge the leader if they perceive weakness.If Demogorgon invades Graz'zt's 'turf' and Graz'zt flees that represents a loss of face. Graz'zts gang members might think 'why do I want to be with this wimp when I can throw in with Demogorgon, hes going places!'The Demon Princes personal power naturally correlates to the amount of Abyssal real estate they own. Fraz-Urb'luu being the exception since he lost most of his territory when he was captured by Zagig (pg 102 1st Ed. Manual of the Planes) and is in the process of rebuilding his powerbase.Demon Lords only rule over part of a layer. Demon Princes rule at least one entire layer and probably have some Demon Lords under them (either as allies or servants).Demon Monarchs rule multiple layers of the Abyss and have both Demon Princes and Lords under them.The entire gang framework is central to the structure of the Abyss. While Graz'zt's 'turf' may extend to as many as fifty or more layers, most of those will come from subordinate alliances which are always shaky at best given the nature of the Abyss. Demon Lords under Graz'zts banner might throw in with Demogorgon if they thought they would get something out of it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 412464, member: 326"] Hi Psion mate! :) Nope. Doesn't wash. Abyssal politics is all about turf. Abyssal factions are akin to street gangs. Whereas factions in the Hells are akin to organised crime syndicates. In a street gang the leader is always the toughest. Members will challenge the leader if they perceive weakness. If Demogorgon invades Graz'zt's 'turf' and Graz'zt flees that represents a loss of face. Graz'zts gang members might think 'why do I want to be with this wimp when I can throw in with Demogorgon, hes going places!' The Demon Princes personal power naturally correlates to the amount of Abyssal real estate they own. Fraz-Urb'luu being the exception since he lost most of his territory when he was captured by Zagig (pg 102 1st Ed. Manual of the Planes) and is in the process of rebuilding his powerbase. Demon Lords only rule over part of a layer. Demon Princes rule at least one entire layer and probably have some Demon Lords under them (either as allies or servants). Demon Monarchs rule multiple layers of the Abyss and have both Demon Princes and Lords under them. The entire gang framework is central to the structure of the Abyss. While Graz'zt's 'turf' may extend to as many as fifty or more layers, most of those will come from subordinate alliances which are always shaky at best given the nature of the Abyss. Demon Lords under Graz'zts banner might throw in with Demogorgon if they thought they would get something out of it. [/QUOTE]

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