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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kenjib" data-source="post: 412800" data-attributes="member: 530">I disagree.  It's just about power, any kind of power, and lots of it.  Personal, physical, magical, psionic, political, tactical, diplomatic, economic, geographically strategic, insight into long term strategy, precogniscence, intimidation capability, guile, wile, experience, etc.  You use every tool at your disposal to achieve your own personal goals.  You don't care what you use, how it gets used, or if the ends justify the means.  You do every possible thing you can to attain maximum personal power and selfish gain.  If you can use someone else to your benefit, great.  If serving someone else is the optimal way to attain your goals, great.  If manipulating other people's self interest in order to get them to do the things you want them to do is the best strategy, great.  If walking in yourself and giving a display of great personal power is the best thing to do, great.  Anything and everything as long as it is effective.Weak demons know that they can't stand alone.  They must subsume some of their self interest in order to gain the substantial protection that a powerful demon lord provides or else they will get rolled over and exploited by those with more power, as there is no longer anything to stop such powerful enemies from doing so.  They serve because it is in their self interest.  If it is no longer in their self interest they will leave this relationship without a moment's hesitation and seize whatever power they can.Many of these sources of power are not reflected in a stat block.  If Gra'azt has maintained a power base similar to Demogorgon and Orcus, apparently he has an advantage in some of these undefined traits.  His description as a lord of deception tends to reinforce this assertion.Okay, so Gra'azt is not as physically powerful as Demogorgon, so obviously he's going to use means other than direct confrontation to combat him.  If this is successful, he will be displaying his power and underlings will follow him to benefit from his power and protection.  They don't care how he does it, as long as he gets it done.  That's chaotic.  Just obtain your goal by any means necessary.I'll never buy the notion that physically beating someone down is the only way to enforce power.  It's simply not a true statement.  Any and all means.  The results are what matter.</blockquote>

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