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<blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 412924" data-attributes="member: 812"><p>Indeed, I am deliberately using a very weak definition of trust. Let me approach it from another side:</p><p></p><p>WHENEVER Graz'zt speaks to me, I am going to assume he's lying. I will assume that he's lying until I get independent confirmation that what he says is true. At any event, I will certainly just as much time worrying about WHY he is telling me this than I will about whether or not it's true. And even once I find out that he's telling the truth I will continue to investigate why he is telling me this.</p><p></p><p>I'm also using a weak definition of "telling" -- this might include behaviour in a battle, evident weakness, and so on.</p><p></p><p>Now eventually I've got to assume that I've acquired enough information and I have to act. I may be wrong about the information I've acquired but in that case I certainly haven't been deceived -- I'm just wrong.</p><p></p><p>You summarize the problem nicely.</p><p></p><p>Again, this is EXACTLY my point. You don't have spies and lackeys who will do things you tell them. You never will. You have potential enemies on all sides who not only MIGHT betray you for their own self-interest, but are in fact LIKELY to do so just because it amuses them. They're Chaotic Evil, right? Would YOU trust them?</p><p></p><p>Sure. Can you do that for every single being in your army? Because, remember, you can't depend on hierarchy to handle things -- you have personally intimidate every single person you want to do something.</p><p></p><p>Okay, but you're only capable of convincing someone of that if they can obtain independent verification. No smart demon is going to charge off just because Orcus LOOKS vulnerable. The first question is always going to be, "Why does he want me to think that?"</p><p></p><p>All I'm saying is that REAL evil is kind of a silly concept.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="barsoomcore, post: 412924, member: 812"] Indeed, I am deliberately using a very weak definition of trust. Let me approach it from another side: WHENEVER Graz'zt speaks to me, I am going to assume he's lying. I will assume that he's lying until I get independent confirmation that what he says is true. At any event, I will certainly just as much time worrying about WHY he is telling me this than I will about whether or not it's true. And even once I find out that he's telling the truth I will continue to investigate why he is telling me this. I'm also using a weak definition of "telling" -- this might include behaviour in a battle, evident weakness, and so on. Now eventually I've got to assume that I've acquired enough information and I have to act. I may be wrong about the information I've acquired but in that case I certainly haven't been deceived -- I'm just wrong. You summarize the problem nicely. Again, this is EXACTLY my point. You don't have spies and lackeys who will do things you tell them. You never will. You have potential enemies on all sides who not only MIGHT betray you for their own self-interest, but are in fact LIKELY to do so just because it amuses them. They're Chaotic Evil, right? Would YOU trust them? Sure. Can you do that for every single being in your army? Because, remember, you can't depend on hierarchy to handle things -- you have personally intimidate every single person you want to do something. Okay, but you're only capable of convincing someone of that if they can obtain independent verification. No smart demon is going to charge off just because Orcus LOOKS vulnerable. The first question is always going to be, "Why does he want me to think that?" All I'm saying is that REAL evil is kind of a silly concept. [/QUOTE]
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