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<blockquote data-quote="kenjib" data-source="post: 412925" data-attributes="member: 530">Lions do not have the same tools at their disposal as demons do.&nbsp; If they did, they would use them.&nbsp; As it is, physical force is their primary asset.&nbsp; Demons, through superior intelligence, have a much wider range of options.&nbsp; If a demon does not take advantage of these other options and relies only on physical force, he will be utterly destroyed by someone else who does.&nbsp; Therefore it is utterly essential to the demon's self interest that he use all tools at his disposal, not just personal one-on-one combat power.In this example you are equating power solely with physical force, which is not an accurate assertion.&nbsp; As far as beings of inhuman intelligence levels are concerned, the goals presented in your last sentence above can be effectively met through many means other than personally walking up to and killing rivals in one-on-one, mortal, combat.&nbsp; All we know is that Gra'azt has a lower CR than Demogorgon.&nbsp; This means that, taken completely out of his context and dropped into a black box, Gra'azt is easier for four player characters in the standard fighter, cleric, wizard, rogue configuration to kill than Demogorgon is.&nbsp; I don't see how this directly correlates to political power in the Abyss.&nbsp; There is a very distant correlation, but there are so many other unquantified variables involved that making such connections is not really viable.As far as rolling all alignments into one, please respond to takyris on that topic, as I think he is more eloquent in that regard than I am and thus I defer to his statement, with which I agree.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kenjib, post: 412925, member: 530"] Lions do not have the same tools at their disposal as demons do. If they did, they would use them. As it is, physical force is their primary asset. Demons, through superior intelligence, have a much wider range of options. If a demon does not take advantage of these other options and relies only on physical force, he will be utterly destroyed by someone else who does. Therefore it is utterly essential to the demon's self interest that he use all tools at his disposal, not just personal one-on-one combat power. In this example you are equating power solely with physical force, which is not an accurate assertion. As far as beings of inhuman intelligence levels are concerned, the goals presented in your last sentence above can be effectively met through many means other than personally walking up to and killing rivals in one-on-one, mortal, combat. All we know is that Gra'azt has a lower CR than Demogorgon. This means that, taken completely out of his context and dropped into a black box, Gra'azt is easier for four player characters in the standard fighter, cleric, wizard, rogue configuration to kill than Demogorgon is. I don't see how this directly correlates to political power in the Abyss. There is a very distant correlation, but there are so many other unquantified variables involved that making such connections is not really viable. As far as rolling all alignments into one, please respond to takyris on that topic, as I think he is more eloquent in that regard than I am and thus I defer to his statement, with which I agree. [/QUOTE]

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