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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 412943" data-attributes="member: 4937">Because, if the Succubus believed that she could obtain the most good for herself by not betraying Graz'zt and instead by being loyal to him, then the Succubus would be LE and not CE.Imagine Graz'zt giving a speach, 'If we all just worked together...' or 'If we just trust each other...' or 'Let's form an alliance and we will be more powerful than we would be acting alone!' It wouldn't happen, because the place where they believe that is over in the Nine Hells.Because the Succubus is CE her default mental state, the assumption upon which all her actions are based on, is that the most success and personal fulfillment is achieved when she is rebelious, disobedient, self-serving, disloyal and what not.Graz'zt, if he bothers to send out a spy at all, sends it out knowing that the spy is attempting to betray him to whoever he is spying on, and attempting to peddle itself and its information to both parties in an attempt to maximize what it gains from the affair.  Graz'zt knows this of course, and that the only thing he can certainly trust in is that his spy is not trustworthy, and that his opponent, being no fool, will not trust the information recieved by the spy either.  In fact, Graz'zt probably knows that if he sends a spy out, that there is a very good chance that as soon as the spy is out of sight, that it goes off and does its own thing because it doesn't trust Graz'zt to reward it, nor does it love Graz'zt enough (and indeed at all) to risk its precious hide on a dangerous mission that ultimately is serving Graz'zt's best interests and not its own.  Certainly, if the spy thinks that Graz'zt is capable of finding him again, the spy will report at the appointed time, but this report is just as likely to be complete fabrications as anything else.  And it will hardly matter anyway, because Graz'zt will not believe the report, or that the spy is being loyal, or that the spy was not tricked, whether the report is true or not.  In fact, the more truthful the report actually appeared to be, the more certain Graz'zt would be that he had been betrayed, because no demon would tell the truth except to lie, and no demon would prefer the truth to a lie except when the truth would serve to create a betrayal.  If the demon was telling the truth, then it is certain that it is doing so for ulterior motives of the foulest sort. And the reverse is true, the more that Graz'zt attempted to gain the trust of the Succubi with gifts and favors, the more certain that the Succubi would be either that Graz'zt was weak and foolish and could be betrayed or that Graz'zt was preparing to betray her.  Which is not to say that the Succubi wouldn't try to cozen out of Graz'zt gifts and favors.  And on the other hand, the more brutally that Graz'zt treated the Succubi, the more she might respect and fear him, but the more she would hate him and seek to have him destroyed so that she might more easily advance her own position.  After all, why would a self interested person willingly serve a strong master, when they could more easily avail themselves of the resources of a weak master?The more I think about it, the more I think it impossible that we could understand the 'society' of truly CE beings, because for one thing such a 'society' would not exist.</blockquote>

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