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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 413129" data-attributes="member: 4049">Heh.  That's not CE.  That's nuts!Well, again, very eloquent.  However, this character doesn't sound all that Chaotic to me (and as I read further down, my perspective intensifies).  The character seems to be either a very disciplined  NE or typical LE character.A 10th level CE Wizard can come in many different packages.  However, let's say there is one that is very intelligent, charismatic, and living in a duchy he has his sights on.  He will lie, cheat, steal, disregard laws and customs when he can get away with it.  If the opportunity presents itself and he knows he can't get caught, the duke's dead or gravely injured because he can accomplish the act, not because he has a reason for it.  Can he live in the social structure?  Depends on many factors, but largely I'd say a CE character is not going to last long in a lawful environment not because he's not intelligent or wise or charismatic, but because he doesn't want to and sees no reason to.  Even if he's not seeking to take over the duchy, he's not likely to stay around because he can attain power elsewhere.... Or he can conduct his research beyond the duchy's boundaries.  This sounds like a Lawful Evil position.  LE is all about the perception of order and the benefit of the society when in fact the exact opposite occurs (although I think the Emperor Palpatine is NE, his actions are largely LE because that was the structure most convenient to him.  The Godfather is similar to this as well).  CE is not concerned with illusions; it's more interested in pursuing its goals now and will make adjustments and reformulate when it runs into significant challenges.Well, I'm sure that there will be deviations from the norm (The Emperor), but largely, I don't see this at all.  CE planning is nothing compared to that of NE, much less that of LE.  Sure, the planning of a Demon is probably going to be significantly more intense and long-term than a CE mortal, but nowhere near as involved as that of a NE or LE peer.  I do agree that betrayal will not necessarily be immediate... but it's always in the back of the mind of all Demons.  Eventually, regardless of the "support" the goal is to have one's own power, to answer to no one, no ideal, no thing, and to rule as one wishes regardless to the needs and desires of others.Actually, I think that it's the Int and Wis of a Demon that will determine when it will strike.  The more intelligent/wise Demon will know the right time when it presents itself.  It's not planning to formulate the right time... at least not to the degree that a Yugoloth or Devil would.  When it appears, it takes advantage of the situation.And, yes, wanton attacks will result in annihilation if the Demon is too stupid to know when it can get away with treachery or an attack.  It has nothing to do with alliances or rules.  It has to do with personal survival.  If a Demon is intelligent or wise enough to know that a treacherous move on its part is not going to result in the intended goal of gaining more power, it won't do it.  Alliances are irrelevant.  Rules are irrelevant.  You will service us...  errr... sorry, got a little carried away there...If this is murky, I'd hate to see you when you have time to think!  You're giving me a run for my money!</blockquote>

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