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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 413212" data-attributes="member: 96">Actually, what I'm saying is that if all demons take it to the levels that you describe, the entire Abyss becomes paralyzed, because all they do is sit around and think 'well, does he want me to do that?&nbsp; Or does he just want me to think he wants me to do that?&quot; Nobody acts.At some point, you have to act - and you'll probably do it based on unconscious or subconscious urges.&nbsp; The skill for the manipulator is in judging you and figuring out which way you'll come down when you do - or, of course, in putting you in a situation where the only rational act for your own self-interest is the one that he wants you to do.(BTW - it always looked to me like Vizzini was cheating in the movie - he waited and watched Westley's reaction when he chose the cup, and didn't drink until Westley did. When Westley showed no hesitation, he &quot;knew&quot; that he was right.&nbsp; No idea what he would have done if Westley had looked afraid, though.)Hmm.&nbsp; Are you so sure that it's stupid to serve a more powerful demon?See, when Bob the Bored Balor comes along and wants to kill Suzy Succubus, if she doesn't serve someone powerful, she's SOL - dead and on a stick.&nbsp; But if she's Graz'zt's servant, she can say 'hey, don't touch me, I'm with the big G' - and the Balor will think twice about whacking her.&nbsp; Not because Graz'zt will come and kick his flaming red hinder around the Abyss, but because he might.&nbsp; So Bob isn't going to kill Suzy unless he thinks there's something in it for him.Now sure, Bob could say &quot;So? I serve Demogorgon.&quot;&nbsp; But then he has to think.&nbsp; Graz'zt throwing down with a Balor is one thing, but is Demogorgon really going to go toe to toe with Graz'zt over something his servant did?&nbsp; Probably not.&nbsp; And even if he does, Bob's still dead.&nbsp; Bob's got more to lose in this case.&nbsp; So he lets Suzy go, and wanders off to find some unaffiliated succubus to kill.In a place like the Abyss - or any other Chaotic society - the weak flock to the strong, because only the strong can protect them from the strong.J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 413212, member: 96"] Actually, what I'm saying is that if all demons take it to the levels that you describe, the entire Abyss becomes paralyzed, because all they do is sit around and think 'well, does he [i]want[/i] me to do that? Or does he just want me to [i]think[/i] he wants me to do that?" Nobody acts. At some point, you have to act - and you'll probably do it based on unconscious or subconscious urges. The skill for the manipulator is in judging you and figuring out which way you'll come down when you do - or, of course, in putting you in a situation where the only rational act for your own self-interest is the one that he wants you to do. (BTW - it always looked to me like Vizzini was cheating in the movie - he waited and watched Westley's reaction when he chose the cup, and didn't drink until Westley did. When Westley showed no hesitation, he "knew" that he was right. No idea what he would have done if Westley had looked afraid, though.) Hmm. Are you so sure that it's stupid to serve a more powerful demon? See, when Bob the Bored Balor comes along and wants to kill Suzy Succubus, if she doesn't serve someone powerful, she's SOL - dead and on a stick. But if she's Graz'zt's servant, she can say 'hey, don't touch me, I'm with the big G' - and the Balor will think twice about whacking her. Not because Graz'zt [i]will[/i] come and kick his flaming red hinder around the Abyss, but because he [i]might[/i]. So Bob isn't going to kill Suzy unless he thinks there's something in it for him. Now sure, Bob could say "So? I serve Demogorgon." But then he has to think. Graz'zt throwing down with a Balor is one thing, but is Demogorgon [i]really[/i] going to go toe to toe with Graz'zt over something his servant did? Probably not. And even if he does, Bob's still dead. Bob's got more to lose in this case. So he lets Suzy go, and wanders off to find some unaffiliated succubus to kill. In a place like the Abyss - or any other Chaotic society - the weak flock to the strong, because only the strong can protect them from the strong. J [/QUOTE]

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