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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6770599" data-attributes="member: 177">It is pretty clear that, in terms of covering the possible research space, public funding is far more effective and efficient.  The lack of bounds or need to answer to a stockholder keeps the research far more open-minded and creative. I'm sorry, but no, you're just wrong here.  These individuals don't have the scope, expertise, or indeed the funds to carry it themselves.  The challenges we face will *not* be solved by just the corporate, or just the government side of things.  Cooperation is absolutely required and essential, and any positive inducement to that end (like, we will invest and grow business in your country if you are on board) is a good thing.  Moreover, lack of a carrot it not a stick.  This is only an ultimatum if the governments were *entitled* to their investment, and they were threatening to remove it.  There is no entitlement.  They offer an incentive to those who work with them.  That's pretty standard, and does not constitute an ultimatum.Rude.  I have warned you before to not speak as if you were a mind reader.  Stop, now, please and thank you.  Interesting.  I think you might need to spend a good deal of time speaking against Super Pacs and other corporate money in elections before you'll make anyone believe you actually hold that stance.</blockquote>