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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 3816644" data-attributes="member: 158">Actually, there's been another rude approach, by a few in the community at large, which has been, &quot;If I yell loud enough, this 4th edition will go away, or change to what I want&quot; - neither of which are happening, from what I can see.I'm not Cadfan, but I'm not reading that in his responses - what I'm reading is that people who don't accept that they aren't the sole determiner in what happens to the future of the game they're currently playing always wind up hurting their cause more than helping it, and come off as very rude and obnoxious to others who DO like the changes. (Not singling anyone out, and not saying I like all the changes either - but I do recognize that if it is no longer the game for me, I have plenty of 3E material to occupy my time forever after).I do hope that WotC manages to attract the majority of good DMs with 4E, as it will make it easier - but I also don't doubt that if WotC manages to attract even one third of the kind of numbers that more popular ventures like MMORPGs have attracted, that the bean counters will be some happy campers. Who knows? They might perform that perfect magic trick, and grab some of the old AND a new crowd - but if not, I don't worry that their future is in doubt even with a new audience, if it's large enough - because all those new players will be new TABLETOP gamers, and to paraphrase Ryan Dancey, &quot;part of the network&quot; then. Once they get tired of 4E, they will want to know what ELSE is out there...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Henry, post: 3816644, member: 158"] Actually, there's been another rude approach, by a few in the community at large, which has been, "If I yell loud enough, this 4th edition will go away, or change to what I want" - neither of which are happening, from what I can see. I'm not Cadfan, but I'm not reading that in his responses - what I'm reading is that people who don't accept that they aren't the sole determiner in what happens to the future of the game they're currently playing always wind up hurting their cause more than helping it, and come off as very rude and obnoxious to others who DO like the changes. (Not singling anyone out, and not saying I like all the changes either - but I do recognize that if it is no longer the game for me, I have plenty of 3E material to occupy my time forever after). I do hope that WotC manages to attract the majority of good DMs with 4E, as it will make it easier - but I also don't doubt that if WotC manages to attract even one third of the kind of numbers that more popular ventures like MMORPGs have attracted, that the bean counters will be some happy campers. Who knows? They might perform that perfect magic trick, and grab some of the old AND a new crowd - but if not, I don't worry that their future is in doubt even with a new audience, if it's large enough - because all those new players will be new TABLETOP gamers, and to paraphrase Ryan Dancey, "part of the network" then. Once they get tired of 4E, they will want to know what ELSE is out there... [/QUOTE]

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