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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pinotage" data-source="post: 4184111" data-attributes="member: 15194">I agree that despite the adventures sucking, killing monsters and taking their loot was fun. But in the long term that grows really old. I played Basic D&D and AD&D 1e between the ages of 10 and 15, and it got boring. Very boring. Because killing monsters got old and there were better things to do.D&D has to maintain its attraction to keep people hooked for years and years. And it can't do that in this day and age by just providing a 'let's kill monsters paradigm'. Because despite the fact that 4e is great at doing combat, most kids will just go for the easier WoW or other video game route. 4e has to offer them something more, and it does in RPG style. Which means making that RPG accessible. I think providing more information, even supported by rules, does just that. It's obvious my experience, and opinion, is in the minority, but I believe that in this day and age to hook teenagers, you have to do more.It's not about the DC to seduce a person. It's about the teenage DM realising that it's even an option to do something long term beyond the scope of the combat encounter. And, yes, it's obvious that some will do it. But sometimes to hook people into D&D you need to go the extra mile. Call it an incentive or something. You don't have to give mechanics, but you have to give the options. I think that's valuable. Obviously you disagree. That's quite fair.Pinotage</blockquote>

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