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<blockquote data-quote="katahn" data-source="post: 4185804" data-attributes="member: 65004">Personal power isn't just being a bad-ass fighter though.&nbsp; A gang can be run by someone other than the absolute best and most powerful fighter.&nbsp; Personal charisma and ability to manipulate others would also count for a lot, also the type of terrain or other resources one has.&nbsp; Also knowing the weaknesses and flaws of your enemies counts for a lot and possibly Demogorgon has an ability that allows him to see the weak spots in other demons.&quot;But wouldn't such an ability be listed in the MM?&quot;&nbsp; No necessarily, players aren't demons.Another possibility is that back in the day when Demogorgon became the defacto &quot;big baddy&quot; of the demons he was more powerful than he is now.&nbsp; Maybe he's gotten weak/soft and possibly other demons are conspiring to whittle away his base of support among those demons that still buy into his &quot;celebrity&quot; status as it were.The point is don't get hung up on how things are &quot;right now&quot;, there's no reason to believe they always were exactly the same.&nbsp; There's no specific reason to assume that the chaotic-evil demons are somehow less capable of forming some kind of society/culture than the chaotic-evil drow were.&nbsp; Sure it will be subject to more overt internal strife and conflict than a lawful society would be, but if Demogorgon or any demon is referred to as a leader among demons then that implies they have subjects to lead which in turn implies some kind of society.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="katahn, post: 4185804, member: 65004"] Personal power isn't just being a bad-ass fighter though. A gang can be run by someone other than the absolute best and most powerful fighter. Personal charisma and ability to manipulate others would also count for a lot, also the type of terrain or other resources one has. Also knowing the weaknesses and flaws of your enemies counts for a lot and possibly Demogorgon has an ability that allows him to see the weak spots in other demons. "But wouldn't such an ability be listed in the MM?" No necessarily, players aren't demons. Another possibility is that back in the day when Demogorgon became the defacto "big baddy" of the demons he was more powerful than he is now. Maybe he's gotten weak/soft and possibly other demons are conspiring to whittle away his base of support among those demons that still buy into his "celebrity" status as it were. The point is don't get hung up on how things are "right now", there's no reason to believe they always were exactly the same. There's no specific reason to assume that the chaotic-evil demons are somehow less capable of forming some kind of society/culture than the chaotic-evil drow were. Sure it will be subject to more overt internal strife and conflict than a lawful society would be, but if Demogorgon or any demon is referred to as a leader among demons then that implies they have subjects to lead which in turn implies some kind of society. [/QUOTE]

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