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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Coroc" data-source="post: 7997344" data-attributes="member: 6895991">the ravenloft example is 2e and i think the other one also.in both examples even if you play out warriors having followers in both scenarios they have not.in 2e you could get followers beginning at 9th for warriors, the suggested level for the orc scenario was 8-10in ravenloft you are drawn into a Domain alone, not with your army.the ravenloft example had oponents like 6x lvl 15 drow fighter mages each with +5 armor and weaponry and 18/** str.so picking up your fireball example, if the pcs do not win initiative which is highly unlikely, they are subject to 6 delayed blast fireballs, or maybe some power word stuns instead to spice it up a bit.that is instakill for all characters below 50 hpdo not forget that drow in 2e had 50+2..%/lvl magic resistance, so no shenanigans even if the party casters win initiative.</blockquote>