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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 6956128" data-attributes="member: 23716">Yes, you make a good point, especially about the cleric and early editions of D&D.  But I would posit that these issues are more a problem with adventure/game design and good DMing than anything.  For instance, you no longer 'have' to have a cleric to adventure with due to better game design and re-defining the cleric's 'niche'.  Now you have many classes that can mitigate hp loss: Bard, Druid, Paladin, Ranger, War--well, a lot of classes.  Not to mention things like hit dice, second wind, short rest/ long rest.Yes well said.  Niche protection can be taken too far.</blockquote>