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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cameron" data-source="post: 3681716" data-attributes="member: 52735">Everyone includes those who doesn't want to listen to the whiner's whines. The whiner is generally outvoted. He has an automatic vote against him (me), and almost everyone I know gets tired of it fairly quickly, whether they say something about it or not (from personal experience here).I might be able to mitigate it, but I don't like the idea of changing an established style that the majority of the people at the table like just because of one loud-mouth.In a world where the wrong word can get you executed by a tyrannical king, where a wrong move can get you incinerated by a dragon, and dangerous situations are the norm for PCs, flaws that end up getting PCs killed might make this particular player happy, but not everyone else who has to pay for *his* flaws. There is also the fundamental issue of fairness. Why should other players be punished for the flaws or idiocy of one particular player? That is what inevitably happens and would cause too much ill-feeling at the table.As I said. I don't mind you playing the idiot. I do mind you whining because you created an idiot and would like everyone else to be at your level. Add to that, I do mind you spoiling it for everyone else by getting their characters killed.So, no. My first course of action would be to boot you rather than to have the whole group fall apart on me.And no, I don't take that as a flame. I am not that sensitive, unlike some others here <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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