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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7609833" data-attributes="member: 996">Charismatic Warrior Hero is a pretty broad archetype.&nbsp; There are /many/ examples.&nbsp;You're presuming a conclusion.&nbsp; Archetypes and characters from fiction don't have D&amp;D CHA, and aren't a D&amp;D class - they are what they are - D&amp;D can be used to try to model them by choosing stats, race, class and so forth.And it can often model them poorly, or inefficiently.&nbsp;Which means those universal benefits, have no bearing on weather a given class is a good choice for a 'Charismatic' concept.&nbsp; &nbsp;Exactly what does that do to inspire his party?&nbsp; PCs aren't mind-controlled by persuasion, so how are you leading, exactly?&nbsp; How does that compare to doing the same things with CHA &amp; Persuasion&nbsp; /and/ giving them a nice bonus to saving throws?&nbsp; The question is should you be rolling a fighter, at all if that's the sort of character you want to play?The fluff of Battlemaster and PDK certainly imply it, but the mechanical support is slim compared to the Paladin or Bard.&nbsp;Actually, it's more like getting you second feat 2 levels early.&nbsp; But, the OP maximized the impact of the fighters bonus ASI by specifying filling the concept /at 6th level/.&nbsp;Its really pretty straightforward.&nbsp; Any class can max CHA and take persuasion, the, question is, what are the consequences and perks of doing so /for that class/.&nbsp; A wizard prioritizing INT over CHA is a worse wizard, and gets nothing in return, a Bard, Sorc, or Warlock doing so is the best caster they can be.So it's just a practical look at mechanics.&nbsp;And that is a strike against them, as the archetype rarely evinces supernatural powers, let alone casts spells.&nbsp;I am not, I pointed out that the BM's Rally Manuever leverages CHA.&nbsp; It's just a really small amount of leverage.&nbsp; If you bring in feats, and thus Inspiring Leader, it becomes almost trivial by comparison.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7609833, member: 996"] Charismatic Warrior Hero is a pretty broad archetype. There are /many/ examples. You're presuming a conclusion. Archetypes and characters from fiction don't have D&D CHA, and aren't a D&D class - they are what they are - D&D can be used to try to model them by choosing stats, race, class and so forth. And it can often model them poorly, or inefficiently. Which means those universal benefits, have no bearing on weather a given class is a good choice for a 'Charismatic' concept. Exactly what does that do to inspire his party? PCs aren't mind-controlled by persuasion, so how are you leading, exactly? How does that compare to doing the same things with CHA & Persuasion /and/ giving them a nice bonus to saving throws? The question is should you be rolling a fighter, at all if that's the sort of character you want to play? The fluff of Battlemaster and PDK certainly imply it, but the mechanical support is slim compared to the Paladin or Bard. Actually, it's more like getting you second feat 2 levels early. But, the OP maximized the impact of the fighters bonus ASI by specifying filling the concept /at 6th level/. Its really pretty straightforward. Any class can max CHA and take persuasion, the, question is, what are the consequences and perks of doing so /for that class/. A wizard prioritizing INT over CHA is a worse wizard, and gets nothing in return, a Bard, Sorc, or Warlock doing so is the best caster they can be. So it's just a practical look at mechanics. And that is a strike against them, as the archetype rarely evinces supernatural powers, let alone casts spells. I am not, I pointed out that the BM's Rally Manuever leverages CHA. It's just a really small amount of leverage. If you bring in feats, and thus Inspiring Leader, it becomes almost trivial by comparison. [/QUOTE]

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