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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 2033496" data-attributes="member: 17106">I don't see how this would be anymore prevalent than people dipping in rogue to get sneak attack. Anyway, if he doesn't get the feat at level 1, what would I give him? Not sneak attack, but it would have to be an ability worth almost as much (like Improved Feint).Mainly the contention here is that he has to blow a good score on charisma, which hurts a lot. In a straight-up fight, he will do less damage more often, due to feinting all the time to get his lesser sneak attack.I don't know how powerful it is. Seems to me it's basically equivalent to a low-level spell, witha scaling, rolled DC. A check to get it might be in order (like the ability it's based on).To emphasize the "Trickster" skills. I don't know what I'd give him if I dropped that.Why have a swashbuckler? Fighter/Rogue Duelist is about the same thing. Heck, a ranger is just a fighter/druid. I want classes for every niche I can think of, core classes that emphasize the neglected ability scores, and I don't want to force players to compromise or multiclass just because what they want isn't perfectly represented in the PHB. Also, there simply isn't a class that gets much use out of charisma without casting spells, rogue and invisible blade included.I have several more classes I am working on, most of which are less rogue-like (probably no more 8+int sp coming). I think that there should be a lot more nonmagical classes, not because I have a low-magic campaign (I never have), but because I want people playing nonmagical characters to have the same variety and flavor the caster classes have. I can find several different primary casters based on each of the mental ability scores, just in WotC books. I want non-caster classes in the same amount (at least).The Charlatan does need some better defining, but I plan on finishing it and continuing to make classes, because I like making classes.</blockquote>

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