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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 2033496" data-attributes="member: 17106"><p>I don't see how this would be anymore prevalent than people dipping in rogue to get sneak attack. Anyway, if he doesn't get the feat at level 1, what would I give him? Not sneak attack, but it would have to be an ability worth almost as much (like Improved Feint).</p><p>Mainly the contention here is that he has to blow a good score on charisma, which hurts a lot. In a straight-up fight, he will do less damage more often, due to feinting all the time to get his lesser sneak attack.</p><p>I don't know how powerful it is. Seems to me it's basically equivalent to a low-level spell, witha scaling, rolled DC. A check to get it might be in order (like the ability it's based on).</p><p>To emphasize the "Trickster" skills. I don't know what I'd give him if I dropped that.</p><p>Why have a swashbuckler? Fighter/Rogue Duelist is about the same thing. Heck, a ranger is just a fighter/druid. I want classes for every niche I can think of, core classes that emphasize the neglected ability scores, and I don't want to force players to compromise or multiclass just because what they want isn't perfectly represented in the PHB. Also, there simply isn't a class that gets much use out of charisma without casting spells, rogue and invisible blade included.</p><p></p><p>I have several more classes I am working on, most of which are less rogue-like (probably no more 8+int sp coming). I think that there should be a lot more nonmagical classes, not because I have a low-magic campaign (I never have), but because I want people playing nonmagical characters to have the same variety and flavor the caster classes have. I can find several different primary casters based on each of the mental ability scores, just in WotC books. I want non-caster classes in the same amount (at least).</p><p></p><p>The Charlatan does need some better defining, but I plan on finishing it and continuing to make classes, because I like making classes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 2033496, member: 17106"] I don't see how this would be anymore prevalent than people dipping in rogue to get sneak attack. Anyway, if he doesn't get the feat at level 1, what would I give him? Not sneak attack, but it would have to be an ability worth almost as much (like Improved Feint). Mainly the contention here is that he has to blow a good score on charisma, which hurts a lot. In a straight-up fight, he will do less damage more often, due to feinting all the time to get his lesser sneak attack. I don't know how powerful it is. Seems to me it's basically equivalent to a low-level spell, witha scaling, rolled DC. A check to get it might be in order (like the ability it's based on). To emphasize the "Trickster" skills. I don't know what I'd give him if I dropped that. Why have a swashbuckler? Fighter/Rogue Duelist is about the same thing. Heck, a ranger is just a fighter/druid. I want classes for every niche I can think of, core classes that emphasize the neglected ability scores, and I don't want to force players to compromise or multiclass just because what they want isn't perfectly represented in the PHB. Also, there simply isn't a class that gets much use out of charisma without casting spells, rogue and invisible blade included. I have several more classes I am working on, most of which are less rogue-like (probably no more 8+int sp coming). I think that there should be a lot more nonmagical classes, not because I have a low-magic campaign (I never have), but because I want people playing nonmagical characters to have the same variety and flavor the caster classes have. I can find several different primary casters based on each of the mental ability scores, just in WotC books. I want non-caster classes in the same amount (at least). The Charlatan does need some better defining, but I plan on finishing it and continuing to make classes, because I like making classes. [/QUOTE]
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