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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DammitVictor" data-source="post: 8029955" data-attributes="member: 6750908">No, if you'd bothered to read the rest of my post... you'd see that my implication is that most people would engage in murder, rape, assault, and torture if an external authority validated their behavior. Which is why I'm so bitchy about the Gygaxian morality of post-Arneson D&D and its defenders: they will readily admit that to enjoy slaughter and pillage, they need an external authority to validate their behavior, and a terrifying amount of argumentation of Alignment's merits boils down to the fact it clearly identifies who can be slaughtered and pillaged with moral impunity.Doesn't mean I'm wrong. Unless you're trying to claim that it does, in which case it's an ad hominem fallacy.I'm not sure what the name of the fallacy is, in which you claim that something must not be true because it makes you feel bad. I'm not going to sit here and claim I'm better than most people, because I'm really not-- I'm a monster-- but my conscience seems to be a hell of  a lot more effective than most others', because it doesn't let me get away with telling myself that what I want is the right thing because it's what I want.Leaving aside all of the real-world examples I'm not allowed to bring up here, I can dispute this argument with two words: "Milgram" and "Zimbardo". Human beings have empathy and compassion for the human beings they believe they're supposed to. The empathy and the compassion run out real fast as soon as we start considering them "others".</blockquote>

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