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<blockquote data-quote="DammitVictor" data-source="post: 8029963" data-attributes="member: 6750908">If buying the goods is causing the least harm, why do you have to justify it by calling the conditions &quot;quasi-slavery&quot;? If it's better for the slaves to buy their goods, why can't you admit that they're slaves?I'm not rejecting your argument, by the way. I struggle with the ethics of how to do the most good and the least harm as possible, and in the current civilization... all of my options suck.No. Psychopathy is a medical condition. I'm talking about-- if you'll pardon the term-- normal people.Nazi Germany and the Antebellum South didn't suddenly develop a mysterious surge in neurological disorders. They were full of normal human beings who loved their families, enjoyed the fellowship of their communities, and considered themselves deep-down good people. Some of them felt terrible guilt after their monstrous regimes were destroyed, but most of them didn't because they were only doing what everyone else was doing, only doing what they thought was right.As soon as the excuses went away, as soon as the permission went away, the atrocities stopped. In Germany, at least.I don't think anyone's talking about self-defense, here. I don't think anyone's claiming that killing in justifiable self-defense is Evil, or even &quot;a necessary evil&quot; of the sort that Good characters can regularly engage in. We're talking about cruelty, unnecessary violence, and malice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DammitVictor, post: 8029963, member: 6750908"] If buying the goods is causing the least harm, why do you have to justify it by calling the conditions "quasi-slavery"? If it's better [I]for the slaves[/I] to buy their goods, why can't you admit that they're slaves? I'm not rejecting your argument, by the way. I struggle with the ethics of how to do the most good and the least harm as possible, and in the current civilization... all of my options suck. No. Psychopathy is a medical condition. I'm talking about-- if you'll pardon the term-- [I]normal [/I]people. Nazi Germany and the Antebellum South didn't suddenly develop a mysterious surge in neurological disorders. They were full of normal human beings who loved their families, enjoyed the fellowship of their communities, and considered themselves deep-down [I]good people[/I]. Some of them felt [I]terrible guilt[/I] after their monstrous regimes were destroyed, but most of them didn't because they were only doing what everyone else was doing, only doing what they thought was right. As soon as the excuses went away, as soon as the [I]permission[/I] went away, the atrocities stopped. In Germany, at least. I don't think anyone's talking about self-defense, here. I don't think anyone's claiming that killing in justifiable self-defense is Evil, or even "a necessary evil" of the sort that Good characters can regularly engage in. We're talking about cruelty, [I]unnecessary [/I]violence, and malice. [/QUOTE]

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