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<blockquote data-quote="Mirrorrorrim" data-source="post: 9174063" data-attributes="member: 7040132"><p>First, the Cleric is the OG of D&D. It has been around for the entire life of the game, almost 50 years, longer than most of those themes in fantasy, and is the oldest D&D class that has never had its name changed. The Fighter started as Fighting Man. The Rogue started as Thief. Wizard has been a Magic-user* (thanks for the reminder [USER=6799660]@Willie the Duck[/USER]). The Cleric has always been a Cleric.</p><p></p><p>The Cleric is often pretty damn strong, being able to be armored and able to select domains that can enhance their blastiness and/or armaments. Sure, some people prefer not to be pigeon-holed as a healer, but the Cleric is not unique with this problem. If they didn't exist, any other "healers" would also suffer from players that don't want to be the healer.</p><p></p><p>Clerics, being an iconic base class with prepared spells, often have a similar loadout of prepared spells, which means they can always be able to fulfill the common roles required by an adventuring party, but they do get good variation of abilities at the Subclass level. If in the 2024 PH the Divine Order ability lets them choose to focus between being stronger casters or warriors, without that being tied to Domain, that gives them even better diversity in their themes.</p><p></p><p>There are lots of Arcane casters that focus on different specialties and I don't think they need to be culled either. I think it is great that the core Cleric can be a strong armored Divine class that can cast 9th level Divine spells, and have other classes have subclasses that also dabble in the Divine. They each focus on different things.</p><p></p><p>They are iconic, and awesome, and are D&D. Who cares what other universes reskin or name their fictional holy casters? That doesn't matter to D&D. I love Clerics and am glad that they aren't going anywhere.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mirrorrorrim, post: 9174063, member: 7040132"] First, the Cleric is the OG of D&D. It has been around for the entire life of the game, almost 50 years, longer than most of those themes in fantasy, and is the oldest D&D class that has never had its name changed. The Fighter started as Fighting Man. The Rogue started as Thief. Wizard has been a Magic-user* (thanks for the reminder [USER=6799660]@Willie the Duck[/USER]). The Cleric has always been a Cleric. The Cleric is often pretty damn strong, being able to be armored and able to select domains that can enhance their blastiness and/or armaments. Sure, some people prefer not to be pigeon-holed as a healer, but the Cleric is not unique with this problem. If they didn't exist, any other "healers" would also suffer from players that don't want to be the healer. Clerics, being an iconic base class with prepared spells, often have a similar loadout of prepared spells, which means they can always be able to fulfill the common roles required by an adventuring party, but they do get good variation of abilities at the Subclass level. If in the 2024 PH the Divine Order ability lets them choose to focus between being stronger casters or warriors, without that being tied to Domain, that gives them even better diversity in their themes. There are lots of Arcane casters that focus on different specialties and I don't think they need to be culled either. I think it is great that the core Cleric can be a strong armored Divine class that can cast 9th level Divine spells, and have other classes have subclasses that also dabble in the Divine. They each focus on different things. They are iconic, and awesome, and are D&D. Who cares what other universes reskin or name their fictional holy casters? That doesn't matter to D&D. I love Clerics and am glad that they aren't going anywhere. [/QUOTE]
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