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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9204278" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>Heh, it is more relevant to the playtest Cleric and the 5e Cleric generally.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The title of the thread is, The Cleric Should Be Retired. The responses tend to be a mix of fans and haters.</p><p></p><p>The Drow Cleric novels are likewise a 1e to 3e source for both fandom and complaint.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In any case, the concept of the D&D Cleric class continues to evolve. In 1e, it began as a Christian "bishop" with a Christian military holy order, the Knights Hospitaller, for inspiration. This concept was additionally used to culturally appropriate the gods from various reallife polytheistic traditions. Figures such as Greek Apollo or Egyptian Isis became the defacto Jesus of a Christian-style church. In this context, the Drow demon Lolth is something like an anti-Jesus. 3e leaned into the polytheistic aspects, diversifying the "domains" of the Cleric class, but also normalized the "philosophical" Cleric that is nontheistic. 4e pushed hard a kind WotC "corporate branding" pantheon. 5e is trying to make sense of all of this, in a coherent, playable, fun way.</p><p></p><p>Many different opinions about the Cleric class have good reasons, whether celebrations or critiques.</p><p></p><p>Many DMs love pretending to be a "god", literally. Many players hate pretending to worship a DM.</p><p></p><p>The Cleric class can be icky.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The comment by [USER=57610]@kunadam[/USER] feels poignant. The concept of a D&D cleric is moreorless nonexistent in literature that is unrelated to D&D. But even D&D novels seem less than thrilled with the Cleric class. The Cleric tends to either be a villain or a background character for an ex-machina healing. Neither characterization convey a enthusiasm about the Cleric class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9204278, member: 58172"] Heh, it is more relevant to the playtest Cleric and the 5e Cleric generally. The title of the thread is, The Cleric Should Be Retired. The responses tend to be a mix of fans and haters. The Drow Cleric novels are likewise a 1e to 3e source for both fandom and complaint. In any case, the concept of the D&D Cleric class continues to evolve. In 1e, it began as a Christian "bishop" with a Christian military holy order, the Knights Hospitaller, for inspiration. This concept was additionally used to culturally appropriate the gods from various reallife polytheistic traditions. Figures such as Greek Apollo or Egyptian Isis became the defacto Jesus of a Christian-style church. In this context, the Drow demon Lolth is something like an anti-Jesus. 3e leaned into the polytheistic aspects, diversifying the "domains" of the Cleric class, but also normalized the "philosophical" Cleric that is nontheistic. 4e pushed hard a kind WotC "corporate branding" pantheon. 5e is trying to make sense of all of this, in a coherent, playable, fun way. Many different opinions about the Cleric class have good reasons, whether celebrations or critiques. Many DMs love pretending to be a "god", literally. Many players hate pretending to worship a DM. The Cleric class can be icky. The comment by [USER=57610]@kunadam[/USER] feels poignant. The concept of a D&D cleric is moreorless nonexistent in literature that is unrelated to D&D. But even D&D novels seem less than thrilled with the Cleric class. The Cleric tends to either be a villain or a background character for an ex-machina healing. Neither characterization convey a enthusiasm about the Cleric class. [/QUOTE]
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