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<blockquote data-quote="covaithe" data-source="post: 4680609" data-attributes="member: 46559">[sblock=on ducking vs. dropping prone]No using the last bit of your move to hop off Neera, because you would be using part of your move, attacking, and then finishing the move.&nbsp; Splitting your move action like that isn't allowed in 4e.&nbsp; There are two reasons I won't allow stepping off Neera as a minor action.&nbsp; First, with relatively few exceptions (rogues with deft strike, kobolds, certain monsters, etc.), it's usually not possible in 4e to start your turn hidden, move, attack, and then move back into hiding.&nbsp; Dropping prone behind cover is another exception that some DMs allow (but not all; it's not RAW), but then you're paying a different kind of penalty:&nbsp; sacrificing a later move action, along with potential defense penalties.&nbsp; I'm not willing to create a &quot;hop off the footstool&quot; action that gives an unusual bonus like that without similar penalties.&nbsp; Second, you've already got yourself an effective +5 bonus to all defenses for this round with a) cleverness, and b) taking a risk of falling and losing part of your action.&nbsp; I think that's plenty, and I'm not really inclined to give more.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />It stretches verisimilitude, yes, but part of the tradeoff of 4e is that we sacrifice a bit of verisimilitude for extra fun.&nbsp; Update shortly...[/sblock]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="covaithe, post: 4680609, member: 46559"] [sblock=on ducking vs. dropping prone]No using the last bit of your move to hop off Neera, because you would be using part of your move, attacking, and then finishing the move. Splitting your move action like that isn't allowed in 4e. There are two reasons I won't allow stepping off Neera as a minor action. First, with relatively few exceptions (rogues with deft strike, kobolds, certain monsters, etc.), it's usually not possible in 4e to start your turn hidden, move, attack, and then move back into hiding. Dropping prone behind cover is another exception that some DMs allow (but not all; it's not RAW), but then you're paying a different kind of penalty: sacrificing a later move action, along with potential defense penalties. I'm not willing to create a "hop off the footstool" action that gives an unusual bonus like that without similar penalties. Second, you've already got yourself an effective +5 bonus to all defenses for this round with a) cleverness, and b) taking a risk of falling and losing part of your action. I think that's plenty, and I'm not really inclined to give more. :) It stretches verisimilitude, yes, but part of the tradeoff of 4e is that we sacrifice a bit of verisimilitude for extra fun. Update shortly... [/sblock] [/QUOTE]

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