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<blockquote data-quote="Ulthwithian" data-source="post: 4210707" data-attributes="member: 60612">Clearly, some classes are more 'hybrid' than others, where role is concerned, even in the PH.&nbsp; The Paladin has some Leader functions (Lay on Hands, Defender-through-buffing) in addition to his primary Defender role.&nbsp; Alternatively, you can state this as a Paladin seems to use the means of a Leader (buffing/healing) to accomplish the ends of a Defender, though I do not favor this interpretation as much.The Wizard's spells at first level (that we have seen) do not seem, by and large, very Controller-oriented.&nbsp; Most are pure damage (in many cases, area damage), though Ray of Frost is clearly Controller-oriented.&nbsp; However, I do recall one higher-level power, the Firefrost attack, that not only damages creatures in an area, and debuffs them (was it weaken), it also leaves a zone on the map that damages anyone who is in it.&nbsp; Other abilities (particularly Rogue, Warlord, and Warlock abilities) could maneuver several mobs into that zone to take more damage.The Warlock seems, at first glance, to be the most 'controller' of the strikers.&nbsp; Various debuffs and a smattering of zone effects show up, but they seem supplemental at best.I think I could buy the argument that the Wizard is not the pure expression of a Controller that many people seem to envision him as, and this misconception can be laid to the fact that he is the only Controller called as such in the PHB.&nbsp; It is very easy to reason from 'only Controller extant' to 'archetype for Controller'.&nbsp; From the described role, I think that Psions (particularly a Telepath) and, yes, Nature/Weather Druids would be a much purer expression of a Controller in 4E.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ulthwithian, post: 4210707, member: 60612"] Clearly, some classes are more 'hybrid' than others, where role is concerned, even in the PH. The Paladin has some Leader functions (Lay on Hands, Defender-through-buffing) in addition to his primary Defender role. Alternatively, you can state this as a Paladin seems to use the means of a Leader (buffing/healing) to accomplish the ends of a Defender, though I do not favor this interpretation as much. The Wizard's spells at first level (that we have seen) do not seem, by and large, very Controller-oriented. Most are pure damage (in many cases, area damage), though Ray of Frost is clearly Controller-oriented. However, I do recall one higher-level power, the Firefrost attack, that not only damages creatures in an area, and debuffs them (was it weaken), it also leaves a zone on the map that damages anyone who is in it. Other abilities (particularly Rogue, Warlord, and Warlock abilities) could maneuver several mobs into that zone to take more damage. The Warlock seems, at first glance, to be the most 'controller' of the strikers. Various debuffs and a smattering of zone effects show up, but they seem supplemental at best. I think I could buy the argument that the Wizard is not the pure expression of a Controller that many people seem to envision him as, and this misconception can be laid to the fact that he is the only Controller called as such in the PHB. It is very easy to reason from 'only Controller extant' to 'archetype for Controller'. From the described role, I think that Psions (particularly a Telepath) and, yes, Nature/Weather Druids would be a much purer expression of a Controller in 4E. [/QUOTE]

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