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The core issue of the martial/caster gap is just the fundamental design of d20 fantasy casters.
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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 9166890" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>TBF, the essential d20 resolution mechanic[spoiler="not important"] does have an issue <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤓" title="Nerd face :nerd:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f913.png" data-shortname=":nerd:" /> with being a uniform rather than normal distribution.... as we often say in RPG discussion, "it's swingy" tho, that's not any kind of statistics or anything. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> The mechanic just has a hard time modeling the kind of consistency you get from experts &c. [/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>I'm just little leary of dismissing dice rolling (ROLL v ROLE debate never really ended), as it often goes with dismissing mechanics, entirely.</p><p></p><p>How good a job the system does matching it's model to what it's modeling has a big impact on that. So does the degrees of freedom or agency or whatever you want to call it that it provides players who don't care for the input the system gives them.</p><p>Like, in 5e, outside of combat & spellcasting, most things fall into the basic d20 check play loop, that you can loop yourself right out of and into automatic success, if you can just come up with an action declaration that the DM will simply narrate success in response to. Otherwise, it's the flat distribution of the d20, and you have nothing helping you but your Bounded Accuracy bounded bonus. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I suppose there's all sorts of ways to go with that. Pools of points or dice equating to effort or willpower or luck. Narrative resources, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 9166890, member: 996"] TBF, the essential d20 resolution mechanic[spoiler="not important"] does have an issue 🤓 with being a uniform rather than normal distribution.... as we often say in RPG discussion, "it's swingy" tho, that's not any kind of statistics or anything. ;) The mechanic just has a hard time modeling the kind of consistency you get from experts &c. [/spoiler] I'm just little leary of dismissing dice rolling (ROLL v ROLE debate never really ended), as it often goes with dismissing mechanics, entirely. How good a job the system does matching it's model to what it's modeling has a big impact on that. So does the degrees of freedom or agency or whatever you want to call it that it provides players who don't care for the input the system gives them. Like, in 5e, outside of combat & spellcasting, most things fall into the basic d20 check play loop, that you can loop yourself right out of and into automatic success, if you can just come up with an action declaration that the DM will simply narrate success in response to. Otherwise, it's the flat distribution of the d20, and you have nothing helping you but your Bounded Accuracy bounded bonus. ;) I suppose there's all sorts of ways to go with that. Pools of points or dice equating to effort or willpower or luck. Narrative resources, etc. [/QUOTE]
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