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The core issue of the martial/caster gap is just the fundamental design of d20 fantasy casters.
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9170590" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>This was not stated in defense of imbalanced classes. It stated in response to someone who said martials do not have many choices. They have many choices, with literally Trillions of viable build combinations.</p><p></p><p>I have never once suggested that there is balance across the classes, not on this thread and not on any other.</p><p></p><p>I do think people who tend to harp on the imbalance don't consider a lot of nuances in their arguments though. I think their arguments are based on generalities and faulty assumptions. They fail to consider the variance over level range and subclass which changes the imbalance dramatically, and when they do bring a subclass in the discussion it is almost never one of the stronger martial subclasses.</p><p></p><p>You can build a Wizard to be the strongest character in the game at 10th level+ and they will unequivocally be better than other classes can achieve with the same ability scores. But that assumes high level and it assumes the Wizard is purposely built for this, when they rarely are in play and it is the characters that are actually played that matter. This is also specific to high level, you can build some extremely powerful martials RAW in the 3-8 level range that will severely press Wizards and be better than most Wizards in this level range. Yet people don't use these examples, when people make this argument though they assume this "God Wizard" (without amplifying on that build), while throwing up a weak straw man martial like a Champion or a Battlemaster (or in this case an Assassin).</p><p></p><p>I am happy to talk about the specific martials I've playedand I am happy to talk about the casters I played and I generally enjoyed playing most of them from both catagories. I can also tell you there are classes I don't enjoy playing (Artificers, Barbarians and Druids) and the way I solve this problem is I just don't play those classes, but I don't tell the people who like those classes that they need to be changed so that I would enjoy playing them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9170590, member: 7030563"] This was not stated in defense of imbalanced classes. It stated in response to someone who said martials do not have many choices. They have many choices, with literally Trillions of viable build combinations. I have never once suggested that there is balance across the classes, not on this thread and not on any other. I do think people who tend to harp on the imbalance don't consider a lot of nuances in their arguments though. I think their arguments are based on generalities and faulty assumptions. They fail to consider the variance over level range and subclass which changes the imbalance dramatically, and when they do bring a subclass in the discussion it is almost never one of the stronger martial subclasses. You can build a Wizard to be the strongest character in the game at 10th level+ and they will unequivocally be better than other classes can achieve with the same ability scores. But that assumes high level and it assumes the Wizard is purposely built for this, when they rarely are in play and it is the characters that are actually played that matter. This is also specific to high level, you can build some extremely powerful martials RAW in the 3-8 level range that will severely press Wizards and be better than most Wizards in this level range. Yet people don't use these examples, when people make this argument though they assume this "God Wizard" (without amplifying on that build), while throwing up a weak straw man martial like a Champion or a Battlemaster (or in this case an Assassin). I am happy to talk about the specific martials I've playedand I am happy to talk about the casters I played and I generally enjoyed playing most of them from both catagories. I can also tell you there are classes I don't enjoy playing (Artificers, Barbarians and Druids) and the way I solve this problem is I just don't play those classes, but I don't tell the people who like those classes that they need to be changed so that I would enjoy playing them. [/QUOTE]
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