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The core issue of the martial/caster gap is just the fundamental design of d20 fantasy casters.
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9171588" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>It is not that you "could" plan your 1-20 build, it is that you pretty much had to plan it, because if you didn't you would not qualify most feats when you gained a level. This whole philosphy is disconnected from the idea of story-driven characters.</p><p></p><p>For example, I believe the Fighter had about 50 different fighter feats, but only 10 of those or so had no prerequisites at all. Over 30 of them required another feat as a prerequisite. </p><p></p><p>For example, if I build an average, run of the mill Fighter S16, D16, C14, W12, I10 CH8 with Weapon Focus and Blind Fighting and I decide at 2nd level that I want to get Whirlwind attack and Cleave, what level will I finally be able to have those two feats, and what ASIs and feats will I have to give up going forward ... if I decide this at 5th level, I think I am locked out of it completely when I am only 25% of the way done the game. And this is with a figher that gets bonus feats every other level.</p><p></p><p>I am guessing that total there were about 150 feats in official 3E, and the majority had prerequisites.</p><p></p><p>I think there are about 90 total feats in 5E, and most of them do not have prerequisites. I think there are about 25 feats that require a prerequisite in 5E and most of those are race-specific feats.</p><p></p><p>So yes, when you are talking about feats you can actually take at a given level, 3.5E does not have way more choices. What it actually has is way more feats that a given character <u>can't choose</u> to take.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9171588, member: 7030563"] It is not that you "could" plan your 1-20 build, it is that you pretty much had to plan it, because if you didn't you would not qualify most feats when you gained a level. This whole philosphy is disconnected from the idea of story-driven characters. For example, I believe the Fighter had about 50 different fighter feats, but only 10 of those or so had no prerequisites at all. Over 30 of them required another feat as a prerequisite. For example, if I build an average, run of the mill Fighter S16, D16, C14, W12, I10 CH8 with Weapon Focus and Blind Fighting and I decide at 2nd level that I want to get Whirlwind attack and Cleave, what level will I finally be able to have those two feats, and what ASIs and feats will I have to give up going forward ... if I decide this at 5th level, I think I am locked out of it completely when I am only 25% of the way done the game. And this is with a figher that gets bonus feats every other level. I am guessing that total there were about 150 feats in official 3E, and the majority had prerequisites. I think there are about 90 total feats in 5E, and most of them do not have prerequisites. I think there are about 25 feats that require a prerequisite in 5E and most of those are race-specific feats. So yes, when you are talking about feats you can actually take at a given level, 3.5E does not have way more choices. What it actually has is way more feats that a given character [U]can't choose[/U] to take. [/QUOTE]
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