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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 528583" data-attributes="member: 8461">Saying he is lying does bring his comment about undead going inanimate at the base of the Spire back into canonity. However, he then says "everything I just told him is common knowledge out here on the planes." which would suggest that he doesn't need to lie, the truth being much more fun.You bring up some good points, but getting into a debate over this is moot. There is, simply put, no evidence one way or the other on whether or not Finder is lying. Nothing suggests he is, so I interpreted it to mean that he wasn't. When we start second-guessing the character's motivations with no direct (or even circumstantial) evidence to do so, we've gotten away from what's really there.No arguement here. Those books were incredibly done. There were errors though, which just goes to show that anyone can get a few things wrong. For example: the bit about Finder saying undead go inanimate at the Spire, how Paladine appeared inside the portal to Sigil to meet Emilo, how just because the banelich was undead it couldn't resurrect Bane (though the secondary reason, that it is Bane in part, does hold up), that Xvim looks like some sort of hair-covered monster (older products said he looked coldly handsome, not so beastial), how they saw a statue of Bane representing him from another crystal sphere (Bane was a single-sphere deity, this was set down in On Hallowed Ground, and if he wasn't the Time of Troubles wouldn't have killed him it would have just cut his connection to Realmspace), how the Sensates were able to use magic to spy on the realms of the gods and still be in Sigil while they did that, and those are just errors in Finder's Bane and Tymora's Luck that I can recall off the top of my head.Xvim never made a "decision" to give up his own identity and become Bane again. He was always intended from the beginning to act as an egg, a shell carrying Bane's essence until the dead god could gestate and burst forth, reborn anew. Xvim only thought he was an independent, sentient being, and had no idea that he was just a vessel for the new incarnation of Bane. Both the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting and Faiths & Pantheons make this very clear. Also, while Bane does hate everyone, I doubt he has any personal grudge against Finder, since Xvim's mentality was not his own. The list of the gods Bane hates is in listed in order in, iirc, Faiths & Pantheons and, again iirc, Finder isn't even on there.</blockquote>

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