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<blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 8004592" data-attributes="member: 6803643"><p>Agreed, but that's something they'd have to build into a "Conquest of Nerath" campaign sourcebook - how fiends are different in Nerath's World Axis. That's not impossible to do. As 5e goes, there's barely a nod to Nerath, and the nods there are are usually irreconcilable with the Nerath we know (ex: The Raven Queen of MTF is incredibly different from The Raven Queen of the World Axis Pantheon in the 5e DMG and in EGW, as is her lair, and her Shadar-Kai servitors, as are the Sorrowsworn of her Shadowfell demesne). </p><p></p><p>This is as opposed to Forgotten Realms, where the devils of the Nine Hells went from being Outsiders (Baatezu, Evil, Extraplanar, Lawful), then Immortal humanoids (devils), then Fiends (devils), all in the span of approximately a century. These are noticeable effect-target changes within a setting. </p><p></p><p>Yes, it all breaks down, and in 5e Nerath, Demons would likely just be considered Fiends as they are in the MM, but their intrinsic relationship to the Elemental Chaos would be undermined by doing so, and likewise the Devils intrinsic relationship to the Astral Sea and the Gods and Angels. </p><p></p><p>I'm talking about how cosmological interpretations across editions can change, but also about how cosmological interpretations across settings can be different, and these concepts sometimes overlap and sometimes do not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marandahir, post: 8004592, member: 6803643"] Agreed, but that's something they'd have to build into a "Conquest of Nerath" campaign sourcebook - how fiends are different in Nerath's World Axis. That's not impossible to do. As 5e goes, there's barely a nod to Nerath, and the nods there are are usually irreconcilable with the Nerath we know (ex: The Raven Queen of MTF is incredibly different from The Raven Queen of the World Axis Pantheon in the 5e DMG and in EGW, as is her lair, and her Shadar-Kai servitors, as are the Sorrowsworn of her Shadowfell demesne). This is as opposed to Forgotten Realms, where the devils of the Nine Hells went from being Outsiders (Baatezu, Evil, Extraplanar, Lawful), then Immortal humanoids (devils), then Fiends (devils), all in the span of approximately a century. These are noticeable effect-target changes within a setting. Yes, it all breaks down, and in 5e Nerath, Demons would likely just be considered Fiends as they are in the MM, but their intrinsic relationship to the Elemental Chaos would be undermined by doing so, and likewise the Devils intrinsic relationship to the Astral Sea and the Gods and Angels. I'm talking about how cosmological interpretations across editions can change, but also about how cosmological interpretations across settings can be different, and these concepts sometimes overlap and sometimes do not. [/QUOTE]
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