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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 1502472" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>I disagree. It's not a matter of effort or laziness or any real negative personality trait at all, in general. It's just all been done before, in one form or another.</p><p></p><p>Human experience is not infinite. Neither is human imagination. Works of entertainment or art focus on that human experience, using human imagination, and by their own nature cannot be infinite. People struggle with the same problems of life, death, fate, the legal system, war, choise, etc. that even ancient Greeks dealt with. Art and entertainment are not new things. As early as Merry Shelly and before, people were writing every science fiction novel that ever has existed. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Like Wickett said, the devil is in the details. Ug the Tribal Singer may have sung a song about the dangers of fire and Things Man Was Not Meant to Know, and Lucas does the same thing with lightsabers. The trappings are different -- the cultures have changed -- but the story is the same.</p><p></p><p>"There is nothing new under the sun" is the exact same thing as "Every random number generator has a finite cycle." They're both old tropes that express the same idea that humans have experienced. But they express it in culturally distinct ways. There's no way Holmes could've really experienced much random number generators or know what a finite cycle for one would be.</p><p></p><p>And that's really where the variation comes in. Culturally. Every story has already been told, but not in every possible way. That's what's infiniate. Human variation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 1502472, member: 2067"] I disagree. It's not a matter of effort or laziness or any real negative personality trait at all, in general. It's just all been done before, in one form or another. Human experience is not infinite. Neither is human imagination. Works of entertainment or art focus on that human experience, using human imagination, and by their own nature cannot be infinite. People struggle with the same problems of life, death, fate, the legal system, war, choise, etc. that even ancient Greeks dealt with. Art and entertainment are not new things. As early as Merry Shelly and before, people were writing every science fiction novel that ever has existed. :) Like Wickett said, the devil is in the details. Ug the Tribal Singer may have sung a song about the dangers of fire and Things Man Was Not Meant to Know, and Lucas does the same thing with lightsabers. The trappings are different -- the cultures have changed -- but the story is the same. "There is nothing new under the sun" is the exact same thing as "Every random number generator has a finite cycle." They're both old tropes that express the same idea that humans have experienced. But they express it in culturally distinct ways. There's no way Holmes could've really experienced much random number generators or know what a finite cycle for one would be. And that's really where the variation comes in. Culturally. Every story has already been told, but not in every possible way. That's what's infiniate. Human variation. [/QUOTE]
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