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<blockquote data-quote="jmucchiello" data-source="post: 1504049" data-attributes="member: 813"><p>I've only seen Strangelove, but....</p><p></p><p>From IMDB: This film documents the effects of a tragic bus accident on the population of a small town.</p><p></p><p>Okay, so this film is a bunch of plots woven together. But ultimately it is a story about a tragic event that affects many people.</p><p>From IMDB: A man, suffering from short-term memory loss, uses notes and tattoos to hunt down his wife's killer.</p><p></p><p>Now, you are telling me that there are no stories where someone hunts down a killer of his wife. The plot is very simple. You are confusing the odd structure of the film (certainly innovative) with the plot being new. It isn't. It's just a detective story. </p><p>Ultimately, this film is a "science will destroy mankind" story. It is Frankenstein with atomic bombs. Heck, Nero fiddling while Rome burns is the same basic "comedy".</p><p>But in your own words, they are normal stories. The "touching, horrific, human story" is just a variant on all tragedies. The one with complicated structure is ultimately a detective story. And if you think doomsday concepts only first appeared in the form of atomic weapons, I have Revelations and Ragnorok to ask you to look up.</p><p>We're aren't talking about narrative form. We are talking about plot: "The pattern of events or main story in a narrative or drama." (dictionary.com) Narrative form is how a story is told, not the action that takes place therein.</p><p>You are forgetting that the devil is in the details. Bach's music is more rich in content that Ms Spears music. But both contain melodies, harmonies, chords and rhythms. In isolation, there are no knew combinations of notes. There are only 12 notes in western music. All unique combinations of notes and rhythmic* elements have been played before by some one. What hasn't been done is combining all these unique combinations in all unique sequences. The sequences Bach chose are considered better than those of Ms Spears' production crew. She still made more money than Bach did.</p><p>Just because I knew there are no new plots doesn't mean I cannot enjoy a new take on an old plot. Do you live in a world where you only watch a movie once and never again? Do you only listen to music once? Just because I've seen or heard it before doesn't mean I don't want to see it again. In fact, don't you go to a play because while the plot is identical to the last time you saw it, the staging may offer some new insight? Don't you see you favorite band live, even though you know the songs by heart, to see what variations they will have live? My world is not bland just because I can see a movie and say "that was similar to the Iliad". In fact, I find it more rich because I can see how the author took the Iliad and made it his own.</p><p></p><p>A question for you: Is West Side Story not the same plot as Romeo and Juliet? Explain your answer. And, whether you say they are or not, can you not gain a better appreciation of WSS by comparing it to R&J? Does saying they are diminish either in any way?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmucchiello, post: 1504049, member: 813"] I've only seen Strangelove, but.... From IMDB: This film documents the effects of a tragic bus accident on the population of a small town. Okay, so this film is a bunch of plots woven together. But ultimately it is a story about a tragic event that affects many people. From IMDB: A man, suffering from short-term memory loss, uses notes and tattoos to hunt down his wife's killer. Now, you are telling me that there are no stories where someone hunts down a killer of his wife. The plot is very simple. You are confusing the odd structure of the film (certainly innovative) with the plot being new. It isn't. It's just a detective story. Ultimately, this film is a "science will destroy mankind" story. It is Frankenstein with atomic bombs. Heck, Nero fiddling while Rome burns is the same basic "comedy". But in your own words, they are normal stories. The "touching, horrific, human story" is just a variant on all tragedies. The one with complicated structure is ultimately a detective story. And if you think doomsday concepts only first appeared in the form of atomic weapons, I have Revelations and Ragnorok to ask you to look up. We're aren't talking about narrative form. We are talking about plot: "The pattern of events or main story in a narrative or drama." (dictionary.com) Narrative form is how a story is told, not the action that takes place therein. You are forgetting that the devil is in the details. Bach's music is more rich in content that Ms Spears music. But both contain melodies, harmonies, chords and rhythms. In isolation, there are no knew combinations of notes. There are only 12 notes in western music. All unique combinations of notes and rhythmic* elements have been played before by some one. What hasn't been done is combining all these unique combinations in all unique sequences. The sequences Bach chose are considered better than those of Ms Spears' production crew. She still made more money than Bach did. Just because I knew there are no new plots doesn't mean I cannot enjoy a new take on an old plot. Do you live in a world where you only watch a movie once and never again? Do you only listen to music once? Just because I've seen or heard it before doesn't mean I don't want to see it again. In fact, don't you go to a play because while the plot is identical to the last time you saw it, the staging may offer some new insight? Don't you see you favorite band live, even though you know the songs by heart, to see what variations they will have live? My world is not bland just because I can see a movie and say "that was similar to the Iliad". In fact, I find it more rich because I can see how the author took the Iliad and made it his own. A question for you: Is West Side Story not the same plot as Romeo and Juliet? Explain your answer. And, whether you say they are or not, can you not gain a better appreciation of WSS by comparing it to R&J? Does saying they are diminish either in any way? [/QUOTE]
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