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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9135770" data-attributes="member: 7035894">Really? Your claim is that, out of combat, a fighter is not much better than:[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/16829-commoner[/URL]Hmmm.Well, leaving hyperbole land behind, fighters are the most customizable class, by design, leaving the choice of how to tailor them to your specific desire in the hands of the player. You want a dex-based, super stealthy fighter, you can make it. You can make a fighter who is pretty good at exploration, or, as you point out yourself, roll an Echo Knight and be among the best in the game at it. And so on. Can they be among the best at every pillar? No. Nor should they be. You can roll a fighter that will be a good face, but if you want to be a great one, roll a bard, just like you can be a bard that is good in melee combat, but if you want to be great at it, roll a fighter.</blockquote>