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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9138100" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I don't believe so. It would just be called a false claim. There is a "fallacy fallacy," but that is the incorrect presumption that, because someone's argument contains a fallacy, it must be that the conclusion they were going for is false. It's a fallacy because anyone can use fallacies to argue for things that are true, e.g. "All mammals have hair. Whales have hair. Therefore, whales are mammals." (This is a fallacious argument for a true thing, committing the formal fallacy of the undistributed middle. The correct syllogism would have as the first premise, "All and only mammals have hair.")How is that a "fair complaint"? The whole point is to "eliminate the PHB Fighter" and replace it with one that can elect to limit itself to the PHB Fighter, but is not beholden to being so limited.Not at all. The contention being made is, "No, you cannot replace the PHB Fighter--that would make it overpowered relative to the other Fighter-like classes!" That is the fallacy: that because one set of things was built to a low bar, and another set of things was built to a high bar, we not only can but must use the low bar to judge what is allowed and what isn't, even though there are--objectively!--things built taller.Having a martial class that is more powerful than the Fighter, but still less powerful than the Wizard, could not under any reasonable definition be unbalanced in 5e. The most it could do would be to reveal how much of a martial/caster gap still remains for all of the classes stuck below that glass ceiling.Because you literally can't make a Warlord at that power level. It's not possible. Whatever thing you create will simply be inadequate to the task. Now, that does not at all mean that a Warlord would need to be at the (IMO excessive) power/versatility level of the Wizard. But trying to shackle it to the power level of the 5.0 Fighter? Not on your life.And that is possibly the single most damning criticism I've ever made of the 5e Fighter. It's so weak, it literally can't power a perfectly functional class from the previous two editions.</blockquote>

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