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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 9138208" data-attributes="member: 6704184">Nice!I think what you’re missing is that the people you’re arguing with don’t believe that each class needs special features for each pillar. Essentially, from our POV, the response is mostly variations of, “okay, so what?”It is easy to homebrew and 3pp is a huge market. It would be nonsense to claim that 5e isn’t welcoming to 3pp overall just because you local experience is super “RAW and official only”. No, it isn’t. It is vastly worse than just using skills. It’s a last resort. Higher level spells, and spells that will be taken as attacks when you’re done. Okay. Gift of gab is the only one that I can agree with you on, here. Irrelevant. They don’t need to keep up with the wizard in all pillars of play. Well no, it’s a type of design you dont prefer. It also isn’t true. To be true, the fighter would need to have penalties in the social pillar. A class not adding any new features to your character in an important area of the game but doing so in others is just assymetrical design. WhatNo one is mistaking that. Prove how that makes your hypothesis inevitably true. I have never, in almost 40 years of life, been a fan of something popular and not seen the behavior you describe. Literally everything popular gets this treatment. Their DM doesn’t impose reasonable consequences, maybe. Some DMs don’t actually try to make social interaction a challenge at all. I have never had a group that didn’t double up when doing so fits the PC concepts.  What’s more, this is a DM guidance issue, not a rules issue. The DM should be challenging the party in such a way that multiple characters need to have social skills. The game needs guidance for the DM to give you more than one PC that needs interaction at the same time, not weird artificially constructed challenges where the bard can just “do social” for the group as everyone else just hangs out.  Or when there are multiple people who need interacting with, or multiple challenges that speak to the “face” characters strengths, or when dealing with NPCs that aren’t going to respond to the bard, etc</blockquote>

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