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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9138473" data-attributes="member: 7035894">No, if that were the case it would not be a subjective problem, its would be an objective problem. Much of the air in this debate is expended by folks demanding that their subjective opinion be accepted as objective fact.To be clear: many of us are not seeing the same problem that you and some others are seeing, and the evidence suggests that WotC is not seeing it reflected in their research. Insisting that you are factually right and we are factually wrong suggests a certain level of hubris. There is no objective right or wrong here.I don't want to get into edition warring, but the fact is that WotC dropped 4e like a hot potato and have reiterated MANY times that they are happy with 5e and keeping it. They are highly unlikely to embrace the design decisions of competitors who sell a fraction of the games that they do.You haven't even established that &quot;it&quot; (whatever &quot;it&quot; is; I have yet to see full agreement even among those who keep making these threads) is a general problem. All you have established is that it is a problem for you. Except it's not even that, since you have already noted several preferred options available to you.The &quot;problem,&quot; which is not widely agreed upon as an actual problem, becomes apparent to you as early as 5th level. Noted.Okay, so you have identified two people. WotC has a much bigger data set, and the evidence suggests that they are not perceiving a widespread problem. I typically have 1-2 campaigns ongoing in my home campaign, and run 4-6 more throughout the school year. I have watched every episode of Critical Role, Dimension 20, and a ton of other actual play shows. I did a statistical breakdown of the DPR from ALL episodes of CR (more than 300) and showed that melee classes dominate in that department. I have never had ONE person refuse to play D&amp;D because &quot;magic was overpowered&quot;, nor seen that happen. So while I respect your experience, I do not find it persuasive.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9138473, member: 7035894"] No, if that were the case it would not be a subjective problem, its would be an objective problem. Much of the air in this debate is expended by folks demanding that their subjective opinion be accepted as objective fact. To be clear: many of us are not seeing the same problem that you and some others are seeing, and the evidence suggests that WotC is not seeing it reflected in their research. Insisting that you are factually right and we are factually wrong suggests a certain level of hubris. There is no objective right or wrong here. I don't want to get into edition warring, but the fact is that WotC dropped 4e like a hot potato and have reiterated MANY times that they are happy with 5e and keeping it. They are [I]highly[/I] unlikely to embrace the design decisions of competitors who sell a fraction of the games that they do. You haven't even established that "it" (whatever "it" is; I have yet to see full agreement even among those who keep making these threads) is a general problem. All you have established is that it is a problem for [I]you.[/I] Except it's not even that, since you have already noted several preferred options available to you. The "problem," which is not widely agreed upon as an actual problem, becomes apparent [I]to you[/I] as early as 5th level. Noted. Okay, so you have identified two people. WotC has a much bigger data set, and the evidence suggests that they are not perceiving a widespread problem. I typically have 1-2 campaigns ongoing in my home campaign, and run 4-6 more throughout the school year. I have watched every episode of Critical Role, Dimension 20, and a ton of other actual play shows. I did a statistical breakdown of the DPR from ALL episodes of CR (more than 300) and showed that melee classes dominate in that department. I have never had ONE person refuse to play D&D because "magic was overpowered", nor seen that happen. So while I respect your experience, I do not find it persuasive. [/QUOTE]

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