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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9138663" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Ah, the old "it doesn't happen at my table, therefore it cannot happen at any meaningful proportion of tables" argument. Always good to see that one still alive and kicking after all these years. Really raises the emotional temperature of the thread.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then the game should not lie to you by telling you these things are pillars when they emphatically are not.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is not my local experience.</p><p></p><p>It is over 90% of the games I've applied to play. Because I essentially never play in person, almost always online.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then you are failing to use it creatively. It <em>is</em> niche. It does require other factors in play. But it is not exclusively a last resort.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I sincerely hope you only mean that as "higher than 1st," which...yes, I never denied that, and don't see how that is in any way an issue. And which of these will be taken as attacks? <em>Suggestion</em> doesn't work that way. <em>Enhance ability</em> isn't even an attack, it's a buff you put on an ally. <em>Detect thoughts</em> only does that if you specifically try to probe deeper. Surface thoughts ("what is most on its mind in that moment") can be read without any hostility; it only upsets people if you force them to make the Wis save. The text even explicitly says you can push a creature's surface thoughts in an intended direction (i.e. get it to think about things you want it to think about) through your words and actions.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, how exactly? Because your whole point was that Fighters could be good at</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not what I said. At all. It is very frustrating to me to have my words twisted in this way.</p><p></p><p></p><p>....no, absolutely not. Or, if you prefer, bringing <em>nothing at all</em> to the table for <em>essential aspects of play</em> IS a penalty.</p><p></p><p>A fairy chess piece that cannot move <em>at all</em> is broken.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What do you <em>mean,</em> "what"? It's literally in the OP. Do I need to quote the text itself? It's right there!</p><p></p><p></p><p>As of Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, it is in fact a Wizard spell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9138663, member: 6790260"] Ah, the old "it doesn't happen at my table, therefore it cannot happen at any meaningful proportion of tables" argument. Always good to see that one still alive and kicking after all these years. Really raises the emotional temperature of the thread. Then the game should not lie to you by telling you these things are pillars when they emphatically are not. It is not my local experience. It is over 90% of the games I've applied to play. Because I essentially never play in person, almost always online. Then you are failing to use it creatively. It [I]is[/I] niche. It does require other factors in play. But it is not exclusively a last resort. I sincerely hope you only mean that as "higher than 1st," which...yes, I never denied that, and don't see how that is in any way an issue. And which of these will be taken as attacks? [I]Suggestion[/I] doesn't work that way. [I]Enhance ability[/I] isn't even an attack, it's a buff you put on an ally. [I]Detect thoughts[/I] only does that if you specifically try to probe deeper. Surface thoughts ("what is most on its mind in that moment") can be read without any hostility; it only upsets people if you force them to make the Wis save. The text even explicitly says you can push a creature's surface thoughts in an intended direction (i.e. get it to think about things you want it to think about) through your words and actions. Uh, how exactly? Because your whole point was that Fighters could be good at That's not what I said. At all. It is very frustrating to me to have my words twisted in this way. ....no, absolutely not. Or, if you prefer, bringing [I]nothing at all[/I] to the table for [I]essential aspects of play[/I] IS a penalty. A fairy chess piece that cannot move [I]at all[/I] is broken. What do you [I]mean,[/I] "what"? It's literally in the OP. Do I need to quote the text itself? It's right there! As of Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, it is in fact a Wizard spell. [/QUOTE]
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