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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 9139241" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>It's indicative of the fighter's popularity being because of the concept of the fighter, and independent of it's mechanics or effectiveness relative to other classes.</p><p></p><p>Meaning appealing to the popularity of the fighter to prove that it's balanced doesn't work. Just like appealing to the popularity of the current edition doesn't prove it's not just a particularly fascinating dumpster fire. (that's what the comics call a "call back," it's a joke, folks, don't kill me)</p><p></p><p>And, like, really, is "not being a Grognard's game" - even if it's true - part of it's appeal? Or is hey, it's that game from the 80s they play on Stranger Things part of it? Decades of past success adds to buzz once it gets started. WotC certainly panicked when grognards hated on the current editions. If it's not a Grognard edition, it's at least studiedly inoffensive to anyone who vennerates D&D's traditions.</p><p></p><p></p><p>TBF, 2e didn't kill TSR, ill-advised forays into publishing, a CCG, and some collectible dice game, overextended them, when they all went badly, TSR was doomed. 2e was still a cash cow as long as they churned out power-creeping supplements and new more bizarre settings. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937.png" title="Person shrugging :person_shrugging:" data-shortname=":person_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> </p><p></p><p>(I mean, full disclosure, 2e did kill D&D for me, before Complete Book of Elves or Players Option books, I'd given up on it, and just ran my own variants, including bits of 1e & 2e)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 9139241, member: 996"] It's indicative of the fighter's popularity being because of the concept of the fighter, and independent of it's mechanics or effectiveness relative to other classes. Meaning appealing to the popularity of the fighter to prove that it's balanced doesn't work. Just like appealing to the popularity of the current edition doesn't prove it's not just a particularly fascinating dumpster fire. (that's what the comics call a "call back," it's a joke, folks, don't kill me) And, like, really, is "not being a Grognard's game" - even if it's true - part of it's appeal? Or is hey, it's that game from the 80s they play on Stranger Things part of it? Decades of past success adds to buzz once it gets started. WotC certainly panicked when grognards hated on the current editions. If it's not a Grognard edition, it's at least studiedly inoffensive to anyone who vennerates D&D's traditions. TBF, 2e didn't kill TSR, ill-advised forays into publishing, a CCG, and some collectible dice game, overextended them, when they all went badly, TSR was doomed. 2e was still a cash cow as long as they churned out power-creeping supplements and new more bizarre settings. 🤷 (I mean, full disclosure, 2e did kill D&D for me, before Complete Book of Elves or Players Option books, I'd given up on it, and just ran my own variants, including bits of 1e & 2e) [/QUOTE]
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