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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9140468" data-attributes="member: 87792">I will quote the answer you were replying to again and add extra emphasis.LOLNope. If it can not shout at someone on 0hp and provide them with enough energy to stand back up it isn't remotely comparable to a 4e warlord. End of story. It can't do the single most important part of the job of a warlord.This was something literally every single warlord in 4e could do at first level. By moving to temp hit points the 5e warlord's Rally is not fit for purpose. And complaining that there were a lot of options in 4e in no sense makes up for the fact that this was a first level ability shared by literally all warlords.So what you're saying is that 5e martials are so half-assed that none of them should be allowed to do the single class defining feature literally all warlords in 4e could do from first level.Almost all warlords did more damage by attacking with allies. For that matter so does the Battlemaster.A Lazylord was very specifically a warlord who had no significant ability to attack themselves and who had to give all their attacks away because they had no other choice. They got no actual mechanical benefit for this other than being able to dump strength.You can say that the Conjuration school is a powerful school of magic if you like just as you can say that giving away attacks is powerful. But a Lazylord is the equivalent of a wizard who restricts themselves to only the conjuration school and doesn't take a single spell from outside that school. They are inevitably going to be weaker than a conjuration specialist who takes the majority of their spells from Conjuration but also has a smattering from other schools. So why was the Lazylord such a big meme in 4e? Because they allowed you to play characters that you could play no other way and in no other edition of D&D if you wanted to be part of the team. They enabled you to play a character with no personal martial skill and no magical talents who nevertheless actually contributed their share rather than were just part of an escort mission. For example a princess being escorted might be a lazylord. Played by a player and given a full personality - but the player doesn't have to sit out the combats. Instead they can scream for help, point things out, yell duck, and organise things and not as a player be consigned to boredom and to the knowledge that as a player they aren't doing their part.</blockquote>

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