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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9141239" data-attributes="member: 87792">This appears to be a direct accusation of bad faith, and one that comes entirely from your imagination. No one is asking for every single epic utility power. And the idea that it should all come online by level 3 has no textual support at all so far as I can tell. Indeed the people who want warlords are normally precisely those who criticise the battlemaster not getting higher level maneuvers that wouldn't be appropriate at low levels.That it would be pretty easy to implement a version of Inspiring Word, the single power common to literally all warlords and they got at level 1, and possibly half a dozen other low level iconic powers (I've yet to see anything mentioned higher than level 3) and 5e refuses to do it is a whole different kettle of fish. There are a number of other iconic powers people would like to see implemented. But a &quot;warlord&quot; who can't restore hit points is like a wizard with no spells of range greater than self.The ask isn't impossible. Your summary of the ask is an out and out strawman. And when you strawman to pretend the ask is impossible then yes you do get pushback.The bottom line is there has never been anything close to a serious attempt to make 4e warlord fans happy. Instead it was pandering to grogs by Mearls himself strawmanning the way warlords work as &quot;shouting hands back on&quot;. And the &quot;no non magical healing&quot; mafia is non-existent outside a few old-skewing areas given we've had Second Wind on the fighter for almost a decade and somehow they haven't left in disgust.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 9141239, member: 87792"] This appears to be a direct accusation of bad faith, and one that comes entirely from your imagination. [I]No one[/I] is asking for every single epic utility power. And the idea that it should all come online by level 3 has no textual support at all so far as I can tell. Indeed the people who want warlords are normally precisely those who criticise the battlemaster not getting higher level maneuvers that wouldn't be appropriate at low levels. That it would be pretty easy to implement a version of Inspiring Word, [I]the single power common to literally all warlords and they got at level 1,[/I] and possibly half a dozen other low level iconic powers (I've yet to see anything mentioned higher than level 3) and 5e refuses to do it is a whole different kettle of fish. There are a number of other iconic powers people would like to see implemented. But a "warlord" who can't restore hit points is like a wizard with no spells of range greater than self. The ask isn't impossible. Your summary of the ask is an out and out strawman. And when you strawman to pretend the ask is impossible then yes you do get pushback. The bottom line is there has never been anything close to a serious attempt to make 4e warlord fans happy. Instead it was pandering to grogs by Mearls himself strawmanning the way warlords work as "shouting hands back on". And the "no non magical healing" mafia is non-existent outside a few old-skewing areas given we've had Second Wind on the fighter for almost a decade and somehow they haven't left in disgust. [/QUOTE]

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