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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9147541" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Then you have completely misunderstood what I said. Perhaps that is my fault.I absolutely did not make the blatantly ridiculous argument, "Because lots of people play D&D, it's bad." Never. Not once ever have I made that argument. If you feel you can prove otherwise, please, feel free.Instead, my argument is, and always has been, that you cannot claim that popularity means what they're doing is definitely and inarguably right."X is popular, therefore X is good" is not a sound argument. It is possible for something to be popular and outright bad. It is possible for something to be popular and a mixed bag, containing anything from great elements to terrible elements and anywhere in between. It is possible for a product to be popular for specific reasons, despite specific flaws (well-known or not.) It is possible for a product to be genuinely great for one particular use, and genuinely terrible for another use in the same general space. It is possible for a product to do many right things but still fall short in some ways, not necessarily being bad, but being inadequate.You cannot simply say, "D&D is popular, thus absolutely everything it ever does must be good." But that's the argument I keep getting--including from you!</blockquote>