Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
The Crab Bucket Fallacy
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 9147740" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Again, the warlord placed higher in class popularity polls during Next than a number of classes that made it into the 5e PH. There are, indeed, gaping holes in the range of archetypes playable in 5e. It'd take more than the Warlord to fill them. It'd take, well, <em>class balance</em>.</p><p></p><p>And we saw what happened the last time D&D tried implementing class a balance. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The alternatives to D&D for the prospective new player just thinking about getting into it, are very few, indeed, because no other TTRPG has meaningful name recognition outside the hobby. People come to the hobby through D&D, if they don't like D&D, they most likely never get as far as the rest of the hobby, but they probably did, at least, buy a PH. That was true in the 80s fad, almost all of the intervening years (for a bit in the 90s it looked like between M:tG and TSR's mismanagement, D&D would be gone, and Storyteller, most likely, might have replaced it, making LARPs & Vampire-fandom crossover the main source of new players. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> What a freaky, Dark, world of TTRPGs that'd've been. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>The current come-back is being led by D&D, because D&D was the fad in the 80s.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 9147740, member: 996"] Again, the warlord placed higher in class popularity polls during Next than a number of classes that made it into the 5e PH. There are, indeed, gaping holes in the range of archetypes playable in 5e. It'd take more than the Warlord to fill them. It'd take, well, [I]class balance[/I]. And we saw what happened the last time D&D tried implementing class a balance. The alternatives to D&D for the prospective new player just thinking about getting into it, are very few, indeed, because no other TTRPG has meaningful name recognition outside the hobby. People come to the hobby through D&D, if they don't like D&D, they most likely never get as far as the rest of the hobby, but they probably did, at least, buy a PH. That was true in the 80s fad, almost all of the intervening years (for a bit in the 90s it looked like between M:tG and TSR's mismanagement, D&D would be gone, and Storyteller, most likely, might have replaced it, making LARPs & Vampire-fandom crossover the main source of new players. ;) What a freaky, Dark, world of TTRPGs that'd've been. ;) The current come-back is being led by D&D, because D&D was the fad in the 80s. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
The Crab Bucket Fallacy
Top