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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9562890" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Frankly?It's because 5e is now a decade old, and is fundamentally built on the same foundations as a system that is over two decades old. Well, that and we had GSL 2: Electric Boogaloo via WotC's attempt to gut the OGL, which got a LOT of people very eager to not be under WotC's thumb anymore and to question the wisdom of all sorts of choices--including design choices--that were part of 5e. 20+ years of the same fundamental structure means most of the flaws are very well-known, and while 5e tried to fix some of them, it couldn't fix the biggest ones without...y'know...becoming unlike 3e.I'd also say there's a subtler undercurrent element here. Very subtle, I should say; I don't think it's a strong effect, though perhaps it will grow with time.That is, 4e is in many ways the edition gamers forgot. Not totally, of course. But both lapsed gamers that returned with 5e and brand-new gamers who've never seen an edition prior to 5e both have a tendency to think that, if 5e does something, 5e was the first place that did it. This is, of course, not true for a variety of things, e.g. "death saves" were lifted straight out of 4e. Even when it is true, there are many 5e structures that are...pretty obviously reinventing the wheel. It's taken a long time, but I've noticed a sort of mildly surprised curiosity arise out of some folks learning that some of the things they've really liked about 5e actually first appeared in 4e.This fuels some of my eagerness to see 4e actually get included in the OGL. Of course, WotC has repeatedly walked back their original statements on that front and has been dead silent about it for at least a year now, so the pessimistic side of my soul is already fully ready to hear something like "we looked into it, but it turned out to be a far more complex issue than we originally thought" yadda yadda we won't do it and we're going to pretend it has nothing to do with corporate greed.</blockquote>

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