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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Joshua Randall" data-source="post: 9565762" data-attributes="member: 7737">Ergo, we cannot refute the unsubstantiated claim which means we must accept he unsubstantiated claim at face value, because that claim puts 4e in a bad light.—Not directed at Echohawk but as a thought experiement.I’m going to make another unsubstantiated claim:“5e had worse digital sales in its first month than 4e did in its first month.” Unless someone can prove me wrong, my claim must stand.You think this is ridiculous and you would never admit my (frankly pretty ridiculous) claim? Well, why not? Seriously, why not? You accept the claim that 4e was the “worst selling” edition of D&D, absent any numbers and even absent any coherent definition of terms.So on what ground do you reject my claim? “5e had worse digital sales in its first month than 4e did in its first month.”Prove me wrong. I’ll wait.Yes, obviously. Anything less than absolute perfection means 4e was awful and must be ridiculed.Your doctor analogy also doesn’t apply to D&D because it’s well known anyone can be a DM and you don’t need a medical degree to play it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />But Ezekiel, you’re missing the point. If you’re not first, you’re last, which makes 4e terrible and a bad game and those who like it are terrible people./S, obviouslyYou are aware unsubstantiated claims cannot be disproven, right?And yet you continue.Riggs is not a good journalist / historian.We’ve tried that, Reynard. We’ve tried that IN THIS THREAD. But you must understand: it is not enough that 4e exists and has its own weird little fan based analyzing its game design. 4e must not be left in peace in its dark corner. 4e must be aggressively rooted out, mocked, and destroyed at all times, under any circumstances.</blockquote>

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