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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Joshua Randall" data-source="post: 9569511" data-attributes="member: 7737">Are you for real right now? OK let's do this.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Post #1: the drive-by of the blog article.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Post #2: me, complaining about its inaccuracies, including release dates of 4e relative to Pathfinder (the game system).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Post #3: Alzrius debates my Pathfinder dates. This continues for a while.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Post #15: Tigris mentions that sales of 4e --> Essentials may have dropped more than 3e --> 3.5. However he mentioned it in a neutral way and it's relatively noncontroversial. He very importantly does NOT say "and you are a fool if you like 4e because it sold poorly".</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Post #24: pedr is the first to advance the claim the 4E didn't meet the financial goals WOTC set for it. Fortunately, he still does not say "and you're a fool to like 4e because of its (supposedly) poor financial performance".</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Post #41: Staffan says 4e was a failure and "everyone" agrees on this. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />  -- this includes financial failure, of course: "a game with those sales would have been a roaring success for any other company, but not for Wizards". So here we start to link finances to whether it's OK for someone to enjoy 4e as a game.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">#53: mamba would like to reiterate that 4e sales dropped before Essentials. Cool? I don't think that was ever being debated?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">#75: in response to Ezekiel's claim that 4e didn't fail, mamba drops the hammer with, "it was the worst selling edition with sales falling off a cliff pretty soon [...] Did 4e have some fans, clearly, we still have them lamenting the fact that it failed and even claiming that it did not fail, that WotC was just unreasonable and shelved it."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">and on and on from there</li> </ul>So if you think you tricked me into showing that >I< was the one who brought up sales? Nope.That >I< was the one who tried to tie a game's financial performance to how fun it is? Nope. (In fact I specifically mocked this.)I didn't bring the fight but I also won't shy away from it.</blockquote>

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