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<blockquote data-quote="payn" data-source="post: 9569988" data-attributes="member: 90374">I know right? I think this is a legacy thing that if it came about today nobody would care. At the time though there was a sort of cold war going on with TTRPGs and CRPGs and MMOs were seen as table top group killers and something to be avoided at all costs. Appears it was a pretty effective smear campaign becasue even today folks debate it endlessly.Honestly, I always took the influenced by MMOs far less literally. To me, the designers simply took the ambiguous roles of early D&amp;D and codified them into stronger mechanical roles, and aimed to offer a digital suite of options with a monthly subscription. That is it. It wasnt an attempt to make an MMO on paper, or copy WoW directly or any of these things.&nbsp; Nothing would be changed. The goal of the warriors was to make viral memes that spread the dislike like wildfire and sadly it worked. Its clearly still working.4E discussions are not top of site or leading the D&amp;D way anymore. Folks can drop that nugget and it doesnt derail the entire conversation of every thread any longer. Not a mod but it doesn't seem like a thing that needs censure anymore. I guess you can just report it anytime you see it which might be better than trying to engage and argue it any longer. As noted above, it wont make you enjoy 4E anymore and wont make them dislike 4E any less. One of the oddest things is seeing a lot of folks asking why 5E aint more like BG3. So, D&amp;D being compared to a video game isnt what it used to be. Something to consider.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="payn, post: 9569988, member: 90374"] I know right? I think this is a legacy thing that if it came about today nobody would care. At the time though there was a sort of cold war going on with TTRPGs and CRPGs and MMOs were seen as table top group killers and something to be avoided at all costs. Appears it was a pretty effective smear campaign becasue even today folks debate it endlessly. Honestly, I always took the influenced by MMOs far less literally. To me, the designers simply took the ambiguous roles of early D&D and codified them into stronger mechanical roles, and aimed to offer a digital suite of options with a monthly subscription. That is it. It wasnt an attempt to make an MMO on paper, or copy WoW directly or any of these things. Nothing would be changed. The goal of the warriors was to make viral memes that spread the dislike like wildfire and sadly it worked. Its clearly still working. 4E discussions are not top of site or leading the D&D way anymore. Folks can drop that nugget and it doesnt derail the entire conversation of every thread any longer. Not a mod but it doesn't seem like a thing that needs censure anymore. I guess you can just report it anytime you see it which might be better than trying to engage and argue it any longer. As noted above, it wont make you enjoy 4E anymore and wont make them dislike 4E any less. One of the oddest things is seeing a lot of folks asking why 5E aint more like BG3. So, D&D being compared to a video game isnt what it used to be. Something to consider. [/QUOTE]

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