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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pedantic" data-source="post: 9574260" data-attributes="member: 6690965">Yeah, fundamentally I think PF is a pretty good argument that general existing player sentiment at the time wasn't calling for big changes or a relaunch, which led to 4e's level of change being perceived more like an imposition by WotC than a natural evolution.That being said, I was pretty excited about 4e when it launched because I originally thought it was going to be a consolidation of late 3.5 material back into the core, and a chance to redesign some earlier stuff with those lessons learned. Something more like the level of change PF1 brought, and I recall some general optimism to that effect at the time, a lot of it focusing around SW Saga Edition as a potential model.Honestly, I think Pathfinder, thanks to the time pressures and need to connect to legacy for marketing, ended up being more conservative than it needed to be on that front.</blockquote>