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The D&D Edition Complexity Thread- How do you order Edition Complexity?
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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7906796" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>The problems I see with this is that each version has so many supplemental books or booklets that you can go for the entirety of the edition with everything tossed in (in which case 2e and 3.5 get extremely complex) or you can go for just some or just the core of the system.</p><p></p><p>I would go more for just the core books of the system in which case it drastically changes things. In addition, you have complexity for the DM vs. Complexity for the Player.</p><p></p><p>For example, while I'd say 3.5e was incredibly complex for the DM, but somewhat less complex (but still complex) for the player, even with the core books, 4e core was incredibly simple for the DM, but still complex for the player.</p><p></p><p>Most players and even DMs don't get every rulebook and don't use close to half of an editions total library...with that, I'd go with which is more complex with their corebooks rather than otherwise.</p><p></p><p>In that light BECMI would probably have the BASIC rules as the core...though I might say you could toss in the Expert rules as well. RC would be separate in that it is a core rulebook which incorporates everything, but came at a later date (similar to the RC or rules compendium for 3.5 and 4e). This makes BECMI considerably simpler. AD&D 1e can still be complex unless someone actually realizes Gygax and TSR said those were optional rules, still it could be reasonably said it was still rather complex with the DMG.</p><p></p><p>With that, the only versions I've ever played with all the sourcebooks available would be OD&D (and even then I didn't use all the stuff from the magazines), 1e, and 5e.</p><p></p><p>To put them on a more level landing between each other where you could consider the Core books and perhaps one supplement (for example, Greyhawk and OD&D, or 5e's idea of the core +1) I'd probably rank complexity more like</p><p></p><p>Holmes -> B/X -> BECMI -> OD&D + Greyhawk -> AD&D 2e core -> 5e (as long as it is for the DM, AD&D 1e was STILL simpler for players) -> 4e -> AD&D 1e -> 3e -> 3.5</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 7906796, member: 4348"] The problems I see with this is that each version has so many supplemental books or booklets that you can go for the entirety of the edition with everything tossed in (in which case 2e and 3.5 get extremely complex) or you can go for just some or just the core of the system. I would go more for just the core books of the system in which case it drastically changes things. In addition, you have complexity for the DM vs. Complexity for the Player. For example, while I'd say 3.5e was incredibly complex for the DM, but somewhat less complex (but still complex) for the player, even with the core books, 4e core was incredibly simple for the DM, but still complex for the player. Most players and even DMs don't get every rulebook and don't use close to half of an editions total library...with that, I'd go with which is more complex with their corebooks rather than otherwise. In that light BECMI would probably have the BASIC rules as the core...though I might say you could toss in the Expert rules as well. RC would be separate in that it is a core rulebook which incorporates everything, but came at a later date (similar to the RC or rules compendium for 3.5 and 4e). This makes BECMI considerably simpler. AD&D 1e can still be complex unless someone actually realizes Gygax and TSR said those were optional rules, still it could be reasonably said it was still rather complex with the DMG. With that, the only versions I've ever played with all the sourcebooks available would be OD&D (and even then I didn't use all the stuff from the magazines), 1e, and 5e. To put them on a more level landing between each other where you could consider the Core books and perhaps one supplement (for example, Greyhawk and OD&D, or 5e's idea of the core +1) I'd probably rank complexity more like Holmes -> B/X -> BECMI -> OD&D + Greyhawk -> AD&D 2e core -> 5e (as long as it is for the DM, AD&D 1e was STILL simpler for players) -> 4e -> AD&D 1e -> 3e -> 3.5 [/QUOTE]
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