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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5455547" data-attributes="member: 19675">You're still not getting me.For me, 4Ed delivers NONE of the &quot;distinct &quot;signature&quot; to the game of D&amp;D, a feeling, a vibe, a gestalt of qualities, what I like to summarize as an experience.&quot;&nbsp; They are simply as absent for me as if I were playing Earthdawn, Talisantha, Harn, Stormbringer or some other FRPG I enjoy but don't consider D&amp;D.Ergo, Re: your Rome analogy (from my perspective), 4Ed is not Rome in any way except nominally, hence my calling it &quot;The Eastern Roman Empire&quot;.&nbsp; I got a more &quot;Roman&quot; feel from my D&amp;D simulacra campaigns in HERO.For you to try to shoehorn my perspective is a serious flaw in your analogy.I'm not denigrating the game- there is much about it I enjoy- nor am I disputing that 4Ed is D&amp;D on a factual basis (which would be insane).What I am saying is that, call it what you will, 4Ed is not delivering what I expect from that brand in any significant amount.&nbsp; You might as well be asking me to call the human body &quot;Pure Magnesium.&quot;Re: &quot;musical bliss&quot;Again an analogy that does nothing to forward the discussion.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because when we substitute terms, we see that what is happening in the threads discussing the phrase &quot;4Ed is not D&amp;D to me&quot; is that people are getting upset that persons are not sharing their idea of &quot;musical bliss.&quot;&nbsp; Try it out- take any post and do the substitution yourself. (As I have done in my next post, below.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5455547, member: 19675"] You're still not getting me. For [I]me[/I], 4Ed delivers [B]NONE[/B] of the "distinct "signature" to the game of D&D, a feeling, a vibe, a gestalt of qualities, what I like to summarize as an experience." They are simply as absent for me as if I were playing Earthdawn, Talisantha, Harn, Stormbringer or some other FRPG I enjoy but don't consider D&D. Ergo, Re: your Rome analogy (from my perspective), [I]4Ed is not Rome [/I]in any way except nominally, hence my calling it "The Eastern Roman Empire". I got a more "Roman" feel from my D&D simulacra campaigns in HERO. For you to try to shoehorn my perspective is a serious flaw in your analogy. I'm not denigrating the game- there is much about it I enjoy- nor am I disputing that 4Ed is D&D on a factual basis (which would be insane). What I am saying is that, call it what you will, 4Ed is not delivering what I expect from that brand in any significant amount. You might as well be asking me to call the human body "Pure Magnesium." Re: "musical bliss" Again an analogy that does nothing to forward the discussion. Why? Because when we substitute terms, we see that what is happening in the threads discussing the phrase "4Ed is not D&D to me" is that people are getting upset that persons are not sharing their idea of "musical bliss." Try it out- take any post and do the substitution yourself. (As I have done in my next post, below.) [/QUOTE]

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