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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5455865" data-attributes="member: 22779">Wow, nothing like quoting out of context to feed the flames huh?  How about actually going back and reading the 4e DMG and more than just the single line that gets trotted out for edition wars and seeing what the book actually says.-----------------WoW isn't an RPG because there's no presumption of R.  I don't know how to put it more simply than that.  Nothing in the game actually presumes that you are going to play your character.  It's no different than Monopoly in this sense.  Sure, you can role play in Monopoly but that doesn't make it an RPG.The entire 4e DMG revolves around the presumption of adopting a role.  Every bit of advice flows from that basic assumption.  Page 42 examples come from the idea that the player is making role play decisions, not based on what is the most tactically advantageous, but on what would make a good story.The artifacts rules are almost entirely role play based.  The whole artifact reaction rules depend on the player acting out his character.  To me, this is pretty fundamental to what differentiates a CRPG from an RPG. -----------The thing that blows my mind about "It just doesn't feel like D&D to me" is that it's so hard to defend.  I can play:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> an anthropomorphic hippo flying a spaceship using the Skills and Powers 2e rules.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a demigod halfling using the Immortals rules.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a gestalt gnomish binder/wizard using the 3e ruleset and 14 different 3rd party splatbooks</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a human thief</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a fighting man.</li> </ul>and say that I'm playing D&D and no one bats an eye.  But, I play a Dragonborn warlord and suddenly it's not D&D anymore?  Really?  There are more differences between edition in those editions considered "D&D" than there are between 3e and 4e, yet, suddenly 4e is out in the cold?The other thing is, if 4e isn't D&D, why is 3e?  After all, people told me for years that 3e wasn't really D&D.  Why are you suddenly right when they are wrong?</blockquote>

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