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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aberzanzorax" data-source="post: 5456182" data-attributes="member: 64209">I'll concede the XP for roleplaying point (sorry, I thought I already had). Pemerton put that really well.  Mainly I was just responding to Hussar who was very quick to point out that the Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game was not a Roleplaying Game. He then listed a number of points as to how it wasn't, I don't agree with all of those points (training costs do not roleplaying make), but I thought it was really funny that he (probably unintentionally) ruled out 4e as a roleplaying game as well. I'm not making broad claims with any of this, I wanted to address a very specific point that he was making. I don't think that 4e isn't a roleplaying game...I was using the basis that it IS as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum" target="_blank">Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a>. You can't claim WoW is not a roleplaying game for specific reasons if those same reasons make something that is clearly a roleplaying game suddenly fail to fit the criteria. But, like I said, I'll concede that 4e does have some of those elements (notably roleplaying xp built in...though not directly, but still built in).  Thing is, and I thought I made my point clearly, but I'll rephrase: Hussar claims WoW isn't even an RPG, but claims "The thing that blows my mind about 'It just doesn't feel like D&D to me' is that it's so hard to defend." Really? I can't have an emotion (or emotionally driven criteria), but he can tell Blizzard their game is incorrectly labeled?  But I don't want to unfairly "pick on" Hussar. He was just the first person who brought up this topic. I'm interested in this specific line of the discussion.</blockquote>

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